Interrogation techniques....

[Bob Fort]

I feel that neither isolation, rock music, nor questioning of Moslems by women are harsh and untoward interrogation techniques. On the other hand, I do feel that parading captives on television, held at gunpoint by masked captors, and beheading them at times are abusive techniques.

Where are you on these issues?

 

[Plainsman]

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I agree with you Bob. And let the dog bark at him too so he's so scared he messes himself.

 

[DJ]

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Bob,

Oh, you are so severely one minded. As we've been led to believe, Americans are the only true EVIIL in the world.

Your following quote is only a misunderstood observation of your misguided beliefs.

held at gunpoint by masked captors, and beheading them at times are abusive techniques.
Seeing is not believing. Hearing is.

They're just-"misunderstood and oppressed".

We're too busy trying to destroy decent Americans and stepping over terrorists, all along.

I think (rodbolt) may be right. Maybe it's time to bail.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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HUH?

 

[Plainsman]

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HUH?

I think you farted again:%

 

[bjcsc]

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IMO, the Geneva rules should only apply to POW's of foreign countries with whom we are engaged. It was never intended to and should not be applied to terrorists and/or radical extremists. You should have to be a part of civilized society before you can expect to be treated as if you are, esp. if you are engaged and pledge to remain engaged in terrorist activities. I'm also not sure how good of an idea it is for the media to go to such great lengths describing exactly how far each situation can go. Doesn't make for much of a poker game if all the cards are visible.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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No, I read Bob loud & clear.....
It was DJ's comment that got me confused.....
Unless he was trying to be sarcastic?
I happen to agree with Bob....JK

 

[rodbolt]

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most the geneva rules were devoloped due to treatment of our captured POW's by other nations. if we wish to abandon them it could become a slippery slope.

whats next? black hoods for our troops as well ?
its hard to hold the shining torch of holier than thou if your using the same tactics.

as far as a female in the correct US Military uniform doing an interrogation that cannot be torture.
beating a prisoner to death while his hands are tie strapped behind him is.
however no US representative would ever do that.would they ?
its kinda like telling a lie. when does the little lie become a big one ?
most the world mostly abides by the geneva convention, most will figgue if the US can modify it to suit so can they.

 

[Limited-Time]

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What techniques would you allow to insure your family’s safety?

 

[rodbolt]

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family safty isnt an issue here and seems half the info they got was false anyway. ask senator McCain, he confessed to war crimes.
its true, he is a self confessed war crimminal. he signed the documents.
and it seems about 1/2 of all the detainees so far have been found to NOT be terrorist. or at least they were not until being held and tortured for a few years.
I dont mind punishing the guilty, but lets have a method of establising guilt.
or we toss all courts,lawyers and judges and pass a law saying if your stopped or detained then your automatically guilty and go directly to jail.

 

[Plainsman]

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family safty isnt an issue here and seems half the info they got was false anyway.

Every american is a family memeber to me. IT's just not Little Johnny and Sally.

ask senator McCain, he confessed to war crimes.
its true, he is a self confessed war crimminal. he signed the documents.

I would think that every person reacts to tortoure diffrently. Because one way works on some. doesn't mean it works on all. Some form is needed to stop these radicals.

and it seems about 1/2 of all the detainees so far have been found to NOT be terrorist. or at least they were not until being held and tortured for a few years.

So the other half have? Sounds good to me!

I dont mind punishing the guilty, but lets have a method of establising guilt.
or we toss all courts,lawyers and judges and pass a law saying if your stopped or detained then your automatically guilty and go directly to jail.

For terrorists, all of that should be mute. They have none of those RIGHTS and should not. If they want the Geneva Conventions to apply to them, they need to put on a uniform, fly a national flag and stop hiding behind women and children.

 

[jtexas]

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Bob is saying that America should behave like the Taliban.

Erikems is saying, to be accused of terrorism is to be guilty.

 

[Limited-Time]

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If we’re talking about interrogating prisoners soley to obtain some type of confession or admission to past crimes I would agree with rodbolt. But if the information desired pertains to past or potential terrorist connections or activities, well that’s another matter.

 

[JRJ]

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I suggest the experts here talk to an ex POW or two. They have get togethers around the country and reminisce and salute the ones that didn't survive the camps, and the ones that are missing this year. They don't talk much about the "treatment" they received, but most still suffer in one way or another. I bet most, if not all, could have handled some music and a female interrogator or two. I only heard a little about the North Koreans (very bad) and the Red Chinese (bad). My father in law escaped once (very, very bad). Had an operation without any pain killer (ugly). Was fed fish eye soup as a treat (very few eyes). He endured this for 33 months, and at times could see Air Force jets flying overhead, way north of where they were supposed to be. Was he bitter? Yes. Did his family suffer? You wouldn't believe how. He's gone now and may he RIP.

 

[LFK]

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Interigation, or Torture....?

As for me, if the scenario involved the “potential” to save a member of my family, as if they had been kidnapped and I had the guy who had them in front of me and was considering when to call the authorities, if I had the opportunity to attempt at saving them via torture or extreme interrogation techniques, I would not hesitate to start by removing an eye with a corkscrew.

As for information pertaining to "suspects" or “potential” attacks, I do not think we are justified to do anything pre-emptive. I know that is not a popular stance, but I believe in someone drawing first blood. When someone grabs, kidnaps, or is otherwise holding someone against his or her will, that qualifies as drawing blood; at which point we need to fight to win (which includes torture).

As for extreme interrogation or torture based on suspicion, guess, or otherwise psychic predictions about the future actions of another person or country….hell, I don’t even know what my own elected officials are going to do next, can I torture them to find out?

 

[rodbolt]

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its ok for us to achive our goal with any means and its not ok for them ?
just because they parade and behead on video does not mean I would like to see the US do it.
most the problem with terror interagations stems from the loose knit methods, its rare that any one member knows enough to stop much. at least that keeps them from better coordination.
while these radical nuts are not very imaginative they are fairly smart, they know enough that if a fellow nut is captured to switch plans and move.
trying to follow the IG reports to congress and the pentagon reports that are declassified we had hundreds of known innocents locked up for several years. in fact now they are sueing the US in a US court.
I dont think that sleep deprivation is particularly torture nor loud music.
but look how many service personell have been convicted or indicted for murder while interrogating a detainee.

 

[JB]

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Really mixed feelings on this, like Capital "punishment".

If puttin the psychological screws to them saves the lives of a bunch of Americans I say, do it.

If that puts us on the same moral ground as them. . . .well. . . .maybe we ought to just behead a few dozen. . .on screen. Oh, and have relatives of murdered civilians do the deed.

No sense being moral and compassionate if nobody believes it anyway.

 

[Plainsman]

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"As for information pertaining to "suspects" or “potential” attacks, I do not think we are justified to do anything pre-emptive."

So how are we supposed to stop potential attecks without information?

If we are struck again, God forbid, the first thing out of the dems mouths will be that W didn't do enough to protect us. If the CIA tactics have proven effective, why not let them continue? Why not the wire taps? Why not working with banks for finacial information?

I really don't understand this, these people want to cut your throat and kill your family. This is not "fear tactics" this is a fact. I am at a loss. For those of you that think that being nice and talkng will solve this world wide problem, I really do feel sorry for you.

The Iran "talks " with the EU are so sad. Iran says, well what you are offering is good, but not enough, let us think about it. In the mean time we will continue to enrich uranium. A few months later, it's the same thing. So the EU says we are making progress, let's not do anything. This will go on until Iran has a nuke, just as it did with North Korea.

This PC sh*t has to stop!!! I could care less what the world thinks of us at the moment. He**, they don't like us anyway.

I don't recall a thread about the US soilders being tortured and hacked up having so many responses. Guess that is OK with the PC crowd. WE have higher morals right? My a$$. We treat these prisoners better than they treat their family's , let alone prisoners they capture. He!! they are probably living better at gitmo then they did in their "free" life. Show me an American prisoner that they have caught and given a Bible to? Oh that's right, you can't because they're dead.

Sorry to have got of topic in some of this.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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We have to play by their rules if we want to win.

I dont mind making them sit in uncomfortable positions, refusing them the toilet, and flushing books down the toilet either.

However, I also am not a big fan of torture as I question the truthfulness of statements made under duress.

Ken

 

[jtexas]

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We have to play by their rules if we want to win.
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If we can't we can't win while holding fast to our "American Values" then what are we fighting for?

Don't answer that it's a rhetorical question.

The government has to be willing to do some things that it wouldn't want its citizens to find out about.