Iraq Authorization of Force

[i386]

Re: Iraq Authorization of Force

You put that actual words of LAW in front of people and they sneer, plug their ears, mimic wiping their ass with it and do just about anything but look the facts in the face.

Well said.

 

[Plainsman]

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As far as the liberal plan is concerned, last month's Harper's had an article outlining a plan in detail. I didn't agree with every word, but it was a detailed and well-argued plan. Slate.com yesterday had an article by a soldier outlining a plan. I'm sure there are many more proposals out there. I'd link them but I know that you guys who keep asking for them don't really want to know, it's just your way of saying "shut up."

It's not like there aren't any other ideas about how to get out of this mess, it's just that this administration is incapable of change when change needs to be made. Donald Rumsfeld's continues presence is a case in point.

Well give me one the Dems have put forth, besides cut and run or in theit words "redeploy"? Or will you once again avoid the question and just spin?

 

[woodrat]

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"Well give me one the Dems have put forth, besides cut and run or in theit words "redeploy"? Or will you once again avoid the question and just spin? "

Google it yourself or go to the library. I gave you two sources.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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You all know what the republican plan is. Quit repeating the democrats and media's lies that the republicans have no plan.

You also seem to assume that the republicans have not changed tactics at all. This is another myth perpetrated by the media and the democrats.

Take off your blinders and see for yourself.

If the president was smart, he would announce all kinds of meaningless changes and media BS and that would pacify the sheeple. I really dont know why he hasnt done this.

If you can't think and see for yourselves how the Iraq war has just become a big political spin factory, I can no longer debate with you.

Ken

 

[Plainsman]

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"Well give me one the Dems have put forth, besides cut and run or in theit words "redeploy"? Or will you once again avoid the question and just spin? "

Google it yourself or go to the library. I gave you two sources.

I have a job and don't have time....worked for you, right?
What's Harpers? And give a good link to your post, not the home page.

 

[xtraham]

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[Skinnywater]

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The problem is really the interpetation of "force" and especially "war".

My interpetation and support of war at the time is what we used to get into Iraq. We certainly did that well enough but then the definition somehow changed. Todays definition of war isn't something that I agree with any longer.
Todays definition is causing us to loose lives, support, and the....war!
History has proven we loose far less men and support when we are on the offensive. When we actually fight a war to win.
It is only after the mission changes from war to politics we start to lose men and support.

History has also proven that two Bush Presidents are superb at winning initial battles against the same one country but are incapable of winning a war with it.

I'm not sure which is more interesting, 3 Presidents in Vietnam or a father/son Presidential team in Iraq.
However, different countrys, different Presidents, same outcome.

Now all we have to do is learn what the new meaning of "win" and "lose" is.

 

[POINTER94]

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Good analysis Skinny. Take the politicians and the media out of the war, and watch. We have too many agendas and axe's to grind to decisively win so much as a verbal debate. In all honesty it is the job of the President to create the environment for victory. Heads should roll before lives are lost. Victory is all that matters. That is war.

 

[Skinnywater]

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In all honesty it is the job of the President to create the environment for victory. Heads should roll before lives are lost. Victory is all that matters. That is war.

I'll never support another war in my life until we get this very basic SNAFU corrected.

Rumsfeld should leave out the back door, kiss the boots of Powell to come back. Give him and his Generals free reign to fix what we broke.