Is it civilian warfare? or is it civil unrest ?

[Skinnywater]

Re: Is it civilian warfare? or is it civil unrest ?

the consequences of cutting and run would be much more costly in the long term than is commonly anticipated.

JB's solution was the UN, then he went on to dispell the UN as a solution. I agree with the second part.<br />Then there is the "cut and run" crowd.<br /><br />My solution has been consistant throughout. <br />It is tried and true and 100% effective. It is so effective that stays two steps ahead of those that would undermine or disagree with it.<br />War is the last resort. Yet from that point it is the first step towards peace if done correctly.<br />To correctly perform war is to completely and soundly defeat your enemy into submission and surrender. <br />This is a basic and simple fact.<br />To ignore this fact causes the exact problems we are faced now and more. <br />Ultimately Darth (and I think you may agree) the above course is the least costly of all.<br /><br />It seems my Generals agree me. <br /><br />"Rumsfeld...incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically," ... "has put the Pentagon at the mercy of his ego, his Cold Warrior's view of the world, and his unrealistic confidence in technology to replace manpower." Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton <br /><br />Gen. Anthony Zinni, a Marine with a long record of command positions (his last was as head of U.S. Central Command, which runs military operations in the Persian Gulf and South Asia), called last month for Rumsfeld's resignation.<br /><br />"I now regret that I did not more openly challenge those who were determined to invade a country whose actions were peripheral to the real threat—al-Qaeda." Gen. Greg Newbold, the former operations director for the Joint Chiefs of Staff

 

[18rabbit]

Re: Is it civilian warfare? or is it civil unrest ?

Originally posted by Darth D Invader:<br />...What makes you think that we can at this time mount a full scale invasion into Iran, a country more than twice the size of Iraq with a population of more than 60 million nationalistic zealots?<br />

What makes me think Iran is going down is because of what is happening on the other side of the globe in Asia (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and China), not what’s going on in Iran or anywhere in the mid-East. The issues you raise are valid only if we have a choice. I don’t believe we have the luxury of choosing to shut down Iran or not. Could be a full invasion, could be tactical, doesn’t matter. I think we’re going in and Iran is going down.<br /><br />I think if Iran completely abandons her nuke program, we will find/create another reason to take her down. Just a coupe weeks ago Shrub called for an investigation into Iran’s past human rights violations. If we can’t find the reason, we will create it. We don’t need to occupy Iran, we just need to control the flow/distribution of her crude, as we are with Iraq’s crude. It’s not about “occupying”; it’s about who is allowed access to the oil.<br /><br />Japan is in the process of revamping her military from one that is defensive to one that is offensive, and bigger and better with first strike capabilities. There is a lot of opposition from the people of Japan to the growing US military presents; US military bases in Japan are being expanded and new ones being built. But Japan is politically supporting the US military expansion, even approving special construction methods and waiving environmental regulations just for the US.<br /><br />But hey, I could be wrong about this, but I kind of doubt it.

 

[bootle]

Re: Is it civilian warfare? or is it civil unrest ?

Winning the battles we surely will, whether its against Iraq or Iran or both together, there is no doubt about that. <br />However winning the war is a different matter, to soundly win the war we must be in total control on the ground and not just the air.<br />In doing so we need a hell of a lot more manpower than we presently do.<br />As far as control of the oil flow/distribution goes, we have not excelled in that dept very well, the insurgents have seen to that.