is my boat sf bay capable?

66mstgfsbk

Petty Officer 3rd Class
Joined
Feb 3, 2009
Messages
97
i have a 99 four winns 245 sundowner, im wondering if it will handle sf bay and the dumbarton bridge area. ive only taken this boat in lakes and the ca delta.
the boat is a cuddy with scupper? drains in the rear floor corners.
some specs are

volvo dps 5.7 fuel injected, freshwater cooling

loa 24.2ft, 8.6ft beam, 15 degrees transom angle, 20 degrees deadrise,

any input is helpful. thanks
 

veritas honus

Lieutenant Commander
Joined
Jun 13, 2010
Messages
1,876
Re: is my boat sf bay capable?

i have a 99 four winns 245 sundowner, im wondering if it will handle sf bay and the dumbarton bridge area. ive only taken this boat in lakes and the ca delta.
the boat is a cuddy with scupper? drains in the rear floor corners.
some specs are

volvo dps 5.7 fuel injected, freshwater cooling

loa 24.2ft, 8.6ft beam, 15 degrees transom angle, 20 degrees deadrise,

any input is helpful. thanks

Not familiar with SF Bay nor Dumbarton Bridge area. Your boat will, however, have no problems with bays and coastal voyages. With experience, you'll find that your boat will handle short off-shore excursions. You've got a terrific boat. Take a boater safety course. Get together with a boater who regularly does what you're looking to do. Ask him/her to go out with you for the day and "show you the ropes". It's time you see what your boat was made to do;). There's more maintainance involved when using your boat in salt water. You'll want to run fresh water through the cooling system afterward. The easiest thing to do is go to a familiar lake on the way home and take it for a ride. 1/2 hour to an hour is plenty of time to get all the salt out of the cooling system. 15 minutes should really be enough; but more is never a bad thing, especially when it just gives you more time on the water. You can also get a Neutra salt system. You'll want to give the boat a good fresh water bath with a mild soap after each excursion. Attwood makes a great line of cleaners, polishes, and waxes. They're inexpensive and you can get them at Wally World and a lot of boating stores and marinas. Good luck, have fun, and let us know how your first excursion goes. Post some pictures.

Safe and happy boating always!!!
 

Reel Kahuna

Petty Officer 1st Class
Joined
Apr 3, 2010
Messages
271
Re: is my boat sf bay capable?

... im wondering if it will handle sf bay and the dumbarton bridge area...

You have plenty of boat to handle the SF bay area, that is, if you feel comfortable enough to take it out there. I say that because if you don't have the confidence, then you shouldn't. BTW wear your PFD.
 

66mstgfsbk

Petty Officer 3rd Class
Joined
Feb 3, 2009
Messages
97
Re: is my boat sf bay capable?

thanks for the help i have ran this boat in nasty weather in the ca delta and had to run through the wakes caused by 40 footers in there, the boat in my opinion did well. i know that salt water has more buoyancy, if thats the word im looking for, how will that make the boat handle/float differently. i know i need to get a vhf since cell service isnt the greatest. i have all the safety gear but a flare gun is there anything that you guys can recommend. i know to stay away from swells larger than 6 ft and shorter than 8-10 seconds apart.
 

Sea Stomper

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Nov 9, 2010
Messages
158
Re: is my boat sf bay capable?

In addition to your VHF, you really should have a decent gps chart plotter with marine navigation charts in it and a depth sounder. Situational awareness is crucial if fog and visibility becomes an issue. You can find one of those nice warm clear calm days and if the temperature happens to drop a few degrees below the dewpoint temperature, instant fog will materialize out of nowhere. Those two additional items will remove anxiety levels when fog closes in unexpectedly.

A cheap old laptop running freeware Sea Clear II software loaded with free NOAA navigation charts freely available from NOAA's sites will perform very nicely as a chart plotter if you can find a cheap hand held GPS unit that is capable of feeding NMEA 0183 protocol data streams to a serial port on the laptop. If the laptop has no serial port, you can use a usb to serial adapter available for under 20 bucks on the web. A cheap usb gps dongle will also work and most will feed nmea 0183 streams through virtual serial ports configured in the dongle's software driver disks.

It's usually not the boat that determines the capability to handle oceans and large bays. It's the operator and his or her seamanship skills and comfort levels. Largest among the skills is the skipper's ability to evaluate conditions and weather forecasts to make informed decisions about "go or no-go". The best thing you can do is to check all of the internet resources for the weather, tide and surface conditions, research all of the safety articles in boatsmart.net and other boating safety sites including the Coast Guard site, and do some recon missions into the bay on the calmer days and just get familiar with it.

I use a 15 foot 1977 tri hull up here out of Humboldt Bay near Eureka in the extremely hostile Pacific Northwest on offshore trips out to 30 miles offshore, and the boat is amazingly capable in 8 foot seas, but only in certain circumstances learned through experience in combination with using the amazing resources available to us today. Become informed about sea conditions, how your boat handles them, you comfort zones in them and you'll be rewarded with some amazing stories to tell in your later years.

In most cases especially with a boat of the size of yours, the boat will handle quite a bit more hostility from the sea than you yourself will be comfortable with. You will be the limiting factor.

If you wish, check out our tuna fishing boards at humboldttuna.com where you will find a bunch of postings by myself (Stomper) on that site along with a number of other posters who have a ton of ocean experience. The bay area tuna site (BATC) has a ton of experienced posters also. Have fun out there. Salt water boating is a ton of fun and it's more than worth the wear and tear on the boat. The salt water wear and tear is overrated. All you need to do is follow the poster above who outlined some of the additional care. Just flush the daylights out of everything including your trailer. Wash the salt water off and you'll be fine. Do it immediately after pulling the boat out. Take a hose with you to the ramp, and use the ramp's fresh water tap if they have one.
 

Gromulin

Petty Officer 1st Class
Joined
Jul 5, 2010
Messages
230
Re: is my boat sf bay capable?

If you are launching in the East Bay (San Leandro, for example) you might have more worries from running aground during low tide...

Here's a live site that has a NOAA map overlay to give you an idea of what areas to avoid, and where the shipping channels are:

http://hd-sf.com/bigmap.html

I grew up in the east bay, and used to go out from San Leandro on some pretty rickety old boats. Follow the safety advice above, get a GPS and and VHF, and you've got plenty of boat for the east/south bay.
 

66mstgfsbk

Petty Officer 3rd Class
Joined
Feb 3, 2009
Messages
97
Re: is my boat sf bay capable?

thx for all the help.

i plan on launching out of the port of redwood city and chugging along dumbarton to do some fishing. ive been on a 24 foot trophy out of there before but that was a long time ago and i dont remember much of it i was just a passenger holding on for life. i was 13 at the time and pops told me that if i fell over that a shark would get me just like the movie jaws. yup gotta love dads humor, now when i come back from boating he ask if i ran into any sharks.
 

Boatist

Rear Admiral
Joined
Apr 22, 2002
Messages
4,552
Re: is my boat sf bay capable?

Your boat will have no problem in the area you are talking about.
You need a chart and compass and a GPS to navigate with. The biggest danger you will face is shallow water and fog.
You will not see swells in that area. You will see wind blown short chop on some days.
Nothing big enough to be of danger unless you run aground.
A VHF radio is also a good idea in the area.

Even in the Golden Gate area most days you will be fine. Stay away from the Golden Gate Towers or the Coast Guard will visit you.
Outside the Gate a place called 4 fathom bank is an area of consern.
With a strong EBB tide and incoming wind and swell then get in the shallow water it can get bad fast.
I been on a 96 foot commerical fishing boat when the skipper turned around and came back in.
He then refunded everyones money or gave them a card for a free trip because he made the decision it was not safe.
We were headed out to Fanny sholes to bottom fish.

Best thing you can do is take someone that knows the area with you.
Your learning curve with someone on board that knows the area will be much steeper and faster.

Two engines is also a good idea as it can keep you from running aground.
A good Anchor can also save you if you have an engine failure.
 

66mstgfsbk

Petty Officer 3rd Class
Joined
Feb 3, 2009
Messages
97
Re: is my boat sf bay capable?

where would i go to find a depth chart of the waters? thanks
 

shrew

Lieutenant
Joined
Dec 29, 2006
Messages
1,309
Re: is my boat sf bay capable?

where would i go to find a depth chart of the waters? thanks


Charts will include depths in them. If the section of the chart is colored and has NO Depths, it means that you are using a chart with a higher scale than is recommended for that area. If so, obtain a chart in a smaller scale that includes the detail you need to navigate safely, which would include the depths for the area.
 

Boatist

Rear Admiral
Joined
Apr 22, 2002
Messages
4,552
Re: is my boat sf bay capable?

West Marine normally has them for the bay area.
I was looking for a link to booklet charts where you could print charts in a booklet form for free.

Someone has to still have the link unless they took it off the web.
 

JoLin

Vice Admiral
Joined
Aug 18, 2007
Messages
5,146
Re: is my boat sf bay capable?

If you're not familiar with marine charts, then you haven't taken a boater education course. Start there. PLEASE. For your own and everyone else's safety. US Power Squadrons, Coast Guard Auxiliary and local Law Enforcement all have them available.

Also have a courtesy safety check of your boat done. The listed organizations are all happy to oblige.

Finally, the effect of salt water on a boat's buoyancy vs. fresh water, is inconsequential. She won't float any higher or go down any slower in salt.

My .02
 
Top