Is there a boat that has what I need?

Philster

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Re: Is there a boat that has what I need?

Re: All this talk about 2' waves, pontoons, etc.

Two-foot waves are not all created equal: Two-foot chop. Two-foot waves with varied spacing. Two-foot rollers tightly spaced (high frequency). Two-foot rollers widely spaced (low frequency).

Ocean, lakes, currents near shorelines, tidal waters. Following seas, head seas, etc: They're all different. Two-foot lake chop? Supposed a 'toon works. Two-foot waves in tidal/coastal waters? Not so much.

Got a lake or lagoon? Consider a 'toon. Got a place where seas could give you a lump in your throat? Consider a boat.

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Home Cookin'

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Re: Is there a boat that has what I need?

"3500 lbs or less (preferably around 3000) with a head"--the more I look around, I find this is just not working. I think you are letting your vehicle define your boat too much.
If you are doing short haul trailering, can you squeak by with a heavier boat?
Are you wedded to the Explorer (if it's limited to 3500#) or can you replace it?
What about buying a truck or Suburban for $1,200 and call it part of the boat price?
Do you really have to have an enclosed head? A 19' CC would be perfect, otherwise.
 

jkust

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Re: Is there a boat that has what I need?

Agree that the 3500lbs is an issue to confront. My basic 18 foot bowrider and single axle trailer is 4000lbs on the scale. The equivalent model with a head requires a large tow vehicle. Even lightening the load with a lightly constructed hull such as a Stingray with a head, the weight is a problem given your weight limit. A Ford Explorer is a body on frame SUV correct? If so you should have substantially more tow capacity even with a 6 cylinder.
 

RotaryRacer

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Re: Is there a boat that has what I need?

One more clarification. The weight limit I listed does not include the trailer. My Explorer is rated for 5300 lbs total, so I am thinking 3500 lbs for the boat/motor/fuel is about max.

For the guys that missed this...

He is padding his number and giving himself an 1800 lbs cushion to his tow limit. Figure 1000 lbs for a trariler and the padding is now down to 800 lbs.

3500 lbs is for the boat, motor, gear & fuel only.


The Trophy I posed earlier has a list weigh of 1975 lbs with the motor.

A C-Dory 22' Cruiser will have a towing weight with boat motor trailer fuel and gear around 3500 lbs.

A C-Dory 25' will have a towing weight around 4800 lbs. This boat has an enclosed head (w/shower), galley and sleeping for 3 adults.
 

The Famous Grouse

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Re: Is there a boat that has what I need?

OK, I can see two options because it seems to me that ride quality in the chop is really the defining issue. You don't need to carry 10 people, you're not interested in fishing, and you don't need to tow tubes or wakeboards. That narrows it down.

Option 1: A 20-22 foot cuddy. Solves the enclosed head problem AND everyone is behind the windshield or can go below if things get a little sloppy. Put a good canvas top on her and the cockpit is a great place to hang out.

Personally, I have a Welcraft Eclipse 220 and the ride quality in the chop is lightyears ahead of any bow rider I've EVER been in. despite looking more substantial, the cuddy doesn't actually add that much weight because the cuddy is mainly air.

Option 2: A center console in the same size. You can get an enclosed head that's below the console, there are many models that offer excellent ride quality, if you get one with good V-seating in the front, there's places to hang out on the hook.

The downside of the center console is you don't get easy top options that will keep 4 people out of the sun and all seated togother. On the positive side, as far as ride quality the fits your other criteria, this is another that pushes most of the buttons.

To the folks that are suggesting a walkaround, I hear you but the reason I'm not suggesting this is that I tried with all my heart to figure out a way to make a WAC work as a cruiser. There are just too many compromises with trying to get a comfortable and workable seating arrangement for 4 people hanging out in the cockpit. You end up either being too far apart, or you have to do lots of custom work to make an arrangement that's workable. Obviously, there are a few exceptions, but I just couldn't see this option working better than a cuddy that was built more for this purpose. A WAC is just trying to make the shoe fit when you know it's not the right size, IMO.

Pontoons? Avoid! Sorry, pontoon guys, but there's a difference between what you CAN do and what you WANT to do if you're trying to have fun. Yes, you CAN (and I have) run a 'toon in rough stuff. And it sucks. The thing is pitching like an aircraft carrier in a hurricane, people can't move around without risking a fall, it's an absolute pain to dock the thing, it's just too much work to call it fun.

Now before all the pontoon guys think I'm dissing thier ride and get on my case, I love the dang things, OK? Calm day, lots of sun, lots of people, wanna party? A toon rocks, OK? Fantastic choice, tons of space, big sun coverage, great for kids, etc, etc But 2 feet of the sloppy choppy stuff? Denied.

Grouse
 

Shabah 182

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Re: Is there a boat that has what I need?

Again thank you all for the opinions and advise. I think that the famous grouse has it right after weighing all of the pros and cons. Either a small cuddy or a center console with a small head is probably what I need and will start searching for. I think Proline, Key West, Seaswirl, Aquasport and others make center consoles that fit the bill. As far a later model small cuddys, I only see them from Stingray.
 

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Re: Is there a boat that has what I need?

Sea Hunt, Sea Chaser and Grady White have step-in consoles; Scout might, too
 
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