Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

robmurray

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Hi all, <br /><br />Many thanks again to all the spot on replies to my posts yesterday. <br /><br />I have an OLD Johnson 40HP RDS 26 S Super Quiet Electric Start. <br /><br />Only one cylinder has been running, and thanks to everyone yesterday, it was identified that;<br /><br />- Both cylinders were moving (the pistons)<br />- The problem was probably the coil<br />- One plug had a weak spark while the other had a strong spark (weak spark in the cylinder which is not running)<br /><br />The problem was unfortunately not the coil, and took the motor into the mechanics today, who spent about three hours on it and pronounced it dead at approximately 3.40pm AEST today (Australian Eastern Standard time). <br /><br />After an appropriate amount of grieving (given that I have no money and it just cost me $300 for them to tell me it is dead) I asked why.<br /><br />The answer? "We dont know, but we cant fix it for you, why dont you buy a new motor, and look! Heres one we prepared earlier!"<br /><br />Any thoughts? Let me again stress, I have very little money (about $250 bucks to throw at it) and my boat is my place of sanctuary, I really need to get back on the water again.<br /><br />Many thanks<br />Rob
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

First thing I would do is check the compression if they didn't already. That will determine if it's worth going any farther.
 

robmurray

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Re: Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

Thanks Rick, <br /><br />Compression tested out ok, but a little bit down on the non running cylinder.<br /><br />Occassionaly it does kick into life, then dies just as quick.<br /><br />By the way, if the compression is down, does that mean the cylinder is cracked / leaking / rings gone etc etc?
 

KennyKenCan

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Re: Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

Hey Rob,<br /><br />If the pistons are moving then there is a very good chance that your motor can be rebuilt.<br /><br />Its just going to cost more than $250, but will still be cheaper than buying a new one.<br /><br />Good Luck
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

What were the numbers on the test? If more than 10-15% diference between the 2, then yes, it is a problem.
 

robmurray

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Re: Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

Thanks Kenny, <br /><br />At least that is a positive start.<br /><br />One other point to mention is that three weeks ago I started her up and there were two loud explosions, and both the plus were blown out of the cylinder block. When inspected, it appeared as if the previous owner had screwed them in so tight the thread was still attached to the plugs.<br /><br />(luckily this happened at the ramp, not outside)<br /><br />It was re-tapped and re-threaded professionaly
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

RobMurray.... I'm hesitant to criticize anyone my friend as being human, we all make mistakes. However, since you state that someone has spent three (3) hours looking at your engine, charged you $300.00, and has no idea what is wrong with it....... That comes across as someone with no knowledge of the engine charging $100.00 per hour!<br /><br />Faulty ignition on a 1964 40hp Johnson doesn't take a rocket scientist to diagnose. Your engine (for each cylinder) has a Coil, Conderser, Point Set, Spark Plug Wire, and Spark Plug.<br /><br />The vertical metal portions of the coil should be aligned with the top inside bevel of the aluminum plate upon it sits. Look closely at the aluminum plate, you'll see that slight bevel. I assume you've purchased a new coil but that the old coil is okay, so use either.<br /><br />The condenser.... if you've no way of testing it, replace it along with a new set of points.<br /><br />Set the points by having the flywheel key aligned with the fiber rubbing portion of the points. This will be the widest opening... set the points to .020 .<br /><br />There is also a possibility that a sparkplug wire might be frayed, shorting out to the bottom of that aluminum plate. Keep that in mind.<br /><br />If the aluminum plate (proper name is armature plate) is loose, and or has a rocking motion to it, the point setting will change when the throttle/timing is increased. That can be correccted as follows:<br /><br />(Magneto Armature Plate)<br /><br />If the armature plate has a a loose fitting, wobbling motion (the plate that the points, coils etc are attached to), it is usually caused by a slightly worn support ring. This allows the point setting to change erratically as the armature plate turns. <br /><br />The cure is to remove the armature plate so that the support which is attached to the powerhead with 4 screws is visible. Then, with a screwdriver and hammer, or some tool of your choosing, and looking straight down at the support ring, make an indentation at what would be called the 12, 3, 6, and 9 O'clock positions. <br /><br />Install the armature plate and check for a smooth turning wobble free movement. <br /><br />You may need to do that procedure a few times to obtain the proper fit (not too tight, not too loose), but it's worth the effort.<br /><br />The spark plugs can be either Champion J4C or J6C plugs, set at .030 . Frankly, I'd prefer the J6C plugs as they're a slightly hotter plug which would give a better idle.<br /><br />Okay, you've got enough to keep you busy until dinner time (grin). Let us know what you find.
 

robmurray

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Re: Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

Once again Joe, you have proved that your 30 years with OMC are well justified, as yes, I know nothing (and I suspect neither does the marine mechanic, or at the very least knows that I KNOW NOTHING!) (grin)<br /><br />That will certainly keep me occupied until dinner, although it is midnight my time now, so perhaps I shall wait until tomorrow to commence the operation.<br /><br />Many thanks again, and I hope you frequent these boards regularly, as I am sure you will be hearing from me again in the near future.<br /><br />Rob
 

steelespike

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Re: Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

Rob, Joe will steer you right.If you have ever worked on a lawnmower engine your ignition is basically the same.Very simple and reliable and on<br /> your motor basically unchanged since about 1950.<br /> If you or a friend are mechanically inclined<br /> jump in, take your time and you will solve it.<br /> Good luck.
 

RICKRICK1

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Re: Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

Rob, be sure and check each wire for continuity. Had a similar problem once and turned out to be a wire about 2 inches long that had deteriorated internally and was not getting full spark. I now make a habit of changing suspect wires if at all possible.
 

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Re: Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

Rob,<br />I have an early to mid 60's 40 hp powerhead just sitting here in my garage. It turns free and if you need parts but can't afford new let me know. heck I'll even do a compression check on it to see if it is ok to just run it the way it is. By the way, I get all my parts from the guy below. His prices are pretty good and he has most everything.<br /><br />benren@mhcable.com
 

robmurray

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Re: Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

Sounds good, although I live in Australia? If you can provide a price and let me know where you live, I will check the delivery from where you live and get back to you straight away.<br /><br />Thanks<br />Rob
 

bhalsdorf

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Re: Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

Rob,<br />It's just sitting here. I think it might be expensive to ship beacuase of the weight. Will weigh it and find out. But think it would be better if you did the compression check and checked all the wires. Could be you really don't need a powerhead. If all you need is a new engine harness I can ship that just for the cost of shipping. I think from looking at the posts you should really have someone else look at your motor and then if you need the powerhead just contact me at bhalsdorf@mecanex.com
 
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Re: Is this the end of my Johnson 40HP RDS 26? (it looks like it)

As a thank you to all, the motor is now up and running again, after taking it to a suitable qualified person, he chucked out both leads and replaced them, and it ran 100% Charged me $10 bucks! <br /><br />Legend! At least they still exist somewhere! He just got my patronage for life.<br /><br />And again, many thanks to all for your advice. You can find my latest dramas below;<br /><br /> http://www.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=17;t=028345#000005
 
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