is working on a 55 fastwin diffiuclt?

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I am pretty sure most guys here learned what they know by picking up a wrench and start turning, I know that is how I learned what I know.

It really isn't hard, just do one thing at a time, if you are doing a carb, do one then the other rehooking linkage ect as you go, don't be afraid to take a picture before you start so you have something to go by if you forget.

I also got in the habit of putting the bolts and screw back in the hole they came out of when you take something off, then you aren't just staring at a handfull of screws.

If you pull a wire flag it with masking tape and write on it exactly where it goes.

And of coarse you have the guys here to talk you through what ever you come into.

For what you will pay a mechanic for one tune up you can buy all the tools you will ever need to do it yourself.
 

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Yeah I'm going to start way easy and change the lower end fluid and then do the carb. I already have the kit which was given to me by the previous owner. All it has is a bunch of gaskets right? Tear it apart clean with carb cleaner and reassemble, sounds easy enough to me! I will take pictures and post them on this thread as I believe most people would enjoys seeing and it can help the next person out down the line. Thanks everyone!!!
 

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It probably would be a good idea to pick up a factory service manual, as well. The Ken Cook Company has a great service manual available for your motor. Go to www.outboardbooks.com and you should easily be able to find it. I bought a few there and they cover things pretty good.:cool:
 

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Re: is working on a 55 fastwin diffiuclt?

Yeah I'm going to start way easy and change the lower end fluid and then do the carb. I already have the kit which was given to me by the previous owner. All it has is a bunch of gaskets right? Tear it apart clean with carb cleaner and reassemble, sounds easy enough to me! I will take pictures and post them on this thread as I believe most people would enjoys seeing and it can help the next person out down the line. Thanks everyone!!!


Hopefully, it's the right one....is it fresh, in a bag, with a part number on it??
Double check it...that carb kit could be for a 1965 Gravely tractor, a 1992 toro lawnmower, and a piece from his refrigerator, all thrown into a bag.....not likely, but just saying....trust no previous owner.

You're in good hands here...these guys are the cats pajamas.;)
 

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Re: is working on a 55 fastwin diffiuclt?

ok so i changed the gear case lube, and itwas milky. that went well . i ran into a problem! so iwent to start the motor and it did, but for whatever reason i heard a grinding like noise and i shut it off. itsounded like it was between gears but it was in neutral the whole time. now it wont start and mind u this engine starts first or second pull evry time. im freaking out cuz its only 4 days old in my hands. what the hell is going on? im pretty sure i didnt flood it.
 

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So I changed the the gear case oil and that went well! I went to run the motor afterwards and ran into a little problem. It fired up but sounded like it was between gears with a funky grinding sound, I immediately shut it off. Checked it was in neutral and tried again same thing. Now it won't start?:( I'm freaking out cuz it's a new motor to me and it has started first pull everytime for me. It almost sounds like it's grinding on something where the pull cord wraps. I don't think I flooded it
 

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I changed the lower unit oil properly and it all went smooth. I went to start it and it fired up first pull making a grinding sound like it was between gears. So I shut it down and made sure it was in neutral, I tried again and it repeated the previous. So I double checked it all and went for a third try and it wouldn't start I have no clue what's up this motor is new to me but starts first pull everytime. I kinda makes a grinding sound when pulling the cord but not sure if I'm just freaking out. I don't think I flooded it either
 

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Did you pull out the phillips head screw on the LU or the flat headed ones?
 

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If you found the lower unit oil to be milky, then you have a bad seal somewhere. Sorry to say it.:cool:
 

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well before you call a mechanic, who probably will not even work on your old motor, let's try a few other things. For starters the grinding sound and the not starting are alost certainly two separate issues. The motor can run without the lowerunit and essentiall does so when in neutral.
When you drained the old oil, did you notice any large chunks or fillings of metal in the old oil? If so, you may have chipped/worn gear. However, if it ran smooth prior to the gear oil change we shold be able to get it to do so again. When you're changing gears are you doing so quickly or gently? Outboards like quick, assertive gear changes. Don't try to "ease" it into/out of gear. Can you shift into gear smoothly when the motor is not running? You shoudl be able to. You may have to spin the prop a bit by hand to help it to slip into gear, but it should do it. If you turn the flyhweel CLOCKWISE by hand, can you see the prop spin clockwise when in forward and counterclockwise when in reverse? Also, doubel check the shift rod connector. It is tricky to put back together and may cause poor gear shifts. The shift rod connector is behind the the little, oval window on the side of the leg that you circled in red in your first photo. The two rods must be fully connected for proper gear changes. It can be tricky, so don't get frustrated. take your time. there are also lots of posts here in the forums about it.

As for the not starting. There a three things you need: fuel, spark, compression. If you haven't done anything to the carb yet, then we'll assume it's still ok. However, are you sure you didn't turn any of the knobs/needles on the front of the carb which say Lean/Rich, if so, return them to the position they were in when they worked last. You can do a very crude check for spark by removing the sparkplugs keeping them in the s'plug wires and resting them against the metal body of the engine. Pull the flywheel and you should be able to see a bright, blue spark, which makes a snapping sound. Again this only a cude test, but it will give some good info.

try these tricks and let us know what happens. stick with it you'll get her going. this is how we all learned about our motor. besides this all part of the "FUN" of owning the older motors;) While it may seem frustrating now, you'll be glad you stuck with it, and in time, you'll be able to fix almost anything on theses guys witha few simple tools and some know-how. Keep us posted. Pics are good.
 

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The oil was milky but no chafes of metal or and chunks of stuff to lead me in the direction of bad gears. I shift fast and it shift smoothly when turned off. The prop turns in the correct direction in forward and reverse, also spins either way in neutral. I have new plugs, wires, condensers, points and coils so I know it has a good spark. The odd thing is it ran fine prior to the oil change and didn't want to run after. As far as the grinding noise, not sure how bad cuz I turned it off immediately. How long should I let it run to diagnose these sounds without hurting or seizing the pistons? I also have a 1 year old water pump.
 

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Not sure if you answered this, but you did fill and drain using the two flat head screws right.....NOT the Phillips one?
 

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Just noticed you changed the coils......maybe coils weren't put back in right and one of them is whacking the flywheel? ?
 

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Yes used the two flathead screw top and bottom filled from bottom with both open, tightened top then bottom. The coils where changed by previous owner and it ran great since I've owned it, so I would assume they are still in place cuz I haven't knocked it around at all.
 

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Cool....you should be kosher then....

I can say my 72 25hp makes somewhat of a noise from the recoil mechanism too....it stops when it's running though. .
 

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It sucks cuz I work tree days in a row so I don't get off till wend to mess with it and it's driving me crazy!! My question is when I go to diagnose this problem and I do get it started, if it's making his grinding noise should I let it run to see if it goes away or shut it down? Also how long should it take to discharge water from the pee hole? What should I do and what shouldn't I do to total screw up the motor?
 

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Re: is working on a 55 fastwin diffiuclt?

It sucks cuz I work tree days in a row so I don't get off till wend to mess with it and it's driving me crazy!! My question is when I go to diagnose this problem and I do get it started, if it's making his grinding noise should I let it run to see if it goes away or shut it down? Also how long should it take to discharge water from the pee hole? What should I do and what shouldn't I do to total screw up the motor?

Remove plug wires and ground them to the motor (to keep motor from starting.) Remove recoil starter and slowly turn the motor clockwise with a socket wrench on the flywheel nut, and see if you hear any grinding. If yes, it's probably a loose or misaligned coil under the flywheel which is hitting as the flywheel spins. If no, check the recoil starter. Turn it over and pull the cord - see if the pawls swing out and retract properly. Make sure the pawls each have the return springs in place.
 

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Re: is working on a 55 fastwin diffiuclt?

So I have a bad seal, it this terminal? What seal or seals do I need to replace, and is it hard to do?
 
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