It's just really sad

[SoulWinner]

Something that has not been mentioned in the earlier posts about the little girl who was murdered, she died a horrible death because she had female reproductive organs. That's it. The end of her existence had nothing to do with anything but her sex. In her death, the killer reduced a human being with dreams, desires, interests, talents, beliefs etc to nothing more than what defined her gender. In one short, terrifying ordeal she was reduced from all of the complexities that make up a life, to nothing more than the perverse sexual desire of a sick man. How profoundly sad. Her life is over for no better reason than that she was a girl. That just makes me say "WTF!?!?!"<br /><br />I recently took a fast for two days. Will do it again for three or more days soon. The peace that descends upon you when you fast so nice. It feels good to get that close to God and spend the whole day in fellowship/discipleship with him.<br /><br />So onto the post about the Christian Bikers forum. There are so many different types of people in this world. Some so different that we hold them in a level of disgust and contempt that somehow makes them less than human for us; thus it's not like we are even of the same species and that comforts us. Like the guy that killed the little girl, isn't it nice to call him an animal, putting as much distance between him and his crime and our own humanity? How about the Christian orders who openly spout antisemitism? How do you connect those dots??? I mean, Jesus was a Jewish rabbi, right? How can you base your salvation on the sacrifice of one Jew while condemning Jews as a whole?<br /><br />What I learned during my fast was meekness. Let God judge. If we judge, He will judge us as we judge others. He will judge with more love, forgiveness and compassion than we have the capacity to comprehend. That being said, I disqualify myself as a suitable judge. I know what I feel about this killer, and I need to repent for those feelings. I wouldn't make a very good God, so I'll leave that job to Him.<br /><br />It takes all kinds to make the world go around. I heard that some place and I think it's true. But as for the members of this forum, I wish I could give each of you a big hug, and bless you and wash your feet.

 

[mellowyellow]

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Gos bless the meek, for they shall inherit the earth....<br /><br />watch out with the fasting, you might be accused<br />of being a Buddist (jk)<br /><br />I personally believe what we "think" we are doing<br />to others, we are actually doing to ourselves SW.<br />I feel really sorry for those who could possibly<br />hate themselves to the point of doing something<br />to horrible for me to comprehend to another human<br />being or any of god's creatures... truly sad!

 

[snapperbait]

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Soulwinner... It's a dog eat dog world out there my friend.. Ugly place... <br /><br />I don't mean to rain on your parade, but judgement is your natural defense mechanism.. It's inside everyone.. It is an absolute necessity for one's longevity.. Without judgement, one might as well throw him/her self to the lions to be devoured..<br /><br />That predator needs to be brought to justice now, and not by "God"....

 

[SoulWinner]

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I know snapper, it's one of many urges that I battle. I try not to let my judgements go past right or wrong and on to condemnation.

 

[Bassy]

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SW, that was a beautiful piece of work you wrote there. Many will benefit from it as I have. Thank you for having the guts to post such things. It gets others to think. Even if they don't agree with it they did have to think about it to disagree with with it. Great thoughts! <br />I also struggle with the same thing. Somedays are better than others. Thank goodness God is a awesome and powerful God, but also a forgiving God. <br /> Being a victim of a molester(Dad) I was molested because I was a girl. Nothing happened to my 3 brothers. Only to me and my sister. I do try to believe that God will deal out the punishment even if my molester did get away with it here on Earth. It's very difficult being patient though and letting God work in his own time. I want justice done now. But that isn't going to happen, so I need to be content that justice will be done.<br /> I feel so sad for the family of the girl and the thought of knowing the world will miss out on what that little girl would have given. <br /> Bassy

 

[tylerin]

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If thats the way it works than I'll "hang em" and than pray for forgiveness

 

[crab bait]

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you learned all that after a 'fast'.. <br /><br />the only thing i learn after a fast is ,i'm hungrey..

 

[SoulWinner]

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Hi ya Crab,<br /><br />Maybe it's the way we fast. We give up EVERYTHING but all natural juice. No TV (unless it is inspirational, instructional or some type of preaching/teaching Christianity), no music unless it is praise and worship music. No reading unless it is the bible, or Christian literature. No activities that are not devoted to God (which can be any activity that God would truly bless, and that it is performed with thanksgiving and supplication to Christ and the Father), and LOTS of prayer. The changes that I felt were profound, and the closeness to God that I experienced was one of the utmost provoking spiritual/emotional occurrences in my life. I am very eager to do it again soon! <br /><br />And yes, when I broke my short fast was hungry, but that is part of it; to bring the flesh into submission to the spirit. <br /><br />Does anyone else here fast?

 

[POINTER94]

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SW,<br /><br />It is nice to see someone who can identify their capabilities and live within a certain set of precepts. It is easy to take the hang um high approach but to identify our human limitations and work within them is rare.<br /><br />I also appreciate those who identify the abomination that this man represents and commit themselves to the proper disposition to ensure the safety of all. God has given us the right to judge others. We have to do so to maintain order and safety. He asks only that we judge with an open mind, with an eye for all parties including the accused, and to temper justice with compassion. It is however, a cross that we all have to bear. To pass the responsibility to someone else doesn't absolve us of the outcome.<br /><br />Hatred is a useful emotion when channeled correctly. God allows us to hate the sin, and in doing so allows us to harness the untapped potential locked in each person. This can be a force for good and redemption. To suppress this oportunity, or emotion, I feel is also sin. To hate is wrong, to ignore evil in the world when you have the ability to abolish it is equally as wrong.<br /><br />I am no philosopher, or formally trained but as a Catholic, I know what my parents and the church teaches us. I cannot ignore what this man has done.

 

[Kenneth Brown]

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Your are right, its not our place to judge. Lets help the judge out by getting the feller up their to be judged.

 

[SoulWinner]

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Yepper, our laws, the ones made by man are to be followed and punishment to be administered when a guilty verdict is returned. This is good and mandated by God. If this man is found to be guilty of this terrible crime and receives the penalty of death, my only wish for him is that he know Jesus before he goes away. What more can we ask? The girl is with Christ now, and she proly asks for the same with her perfect new body and mind. <br /><br />Bassy,<br /><br />I love you. I love you with all the corrupt and sinful heart that the Lord afforded me while we dwell here in this life. You are good and strong and far closer to the Lord than you may think (as I can see from your earlier posts). I love you and bless you and prey for your tender heart to be healed by the Healer, for your tears to be dried to never fall again for the sins committed against you. You lived through the defilement of your temple. You lived to see happiness and the love of a good man. The poor girl that lost her precious gift from God, Her life, is now with God. Who is better off, you or her???????? This is a question that I can't answer. I would, in my current capacity, happily swap places with the little girl and die a grisly death myself just to reside from this day forth with my Lord and God. Every day you wake up, and every night you go to sleep with a specter, the ugly past, awaking and sleeping sleeping closer to you than any human can get to you. There is a way to overcome this darkness that enshrouds your past. You must give it away. If I could take it from you I would beg you for it; but I can't. I am sooooo sorry, but I can't, I'm just plain old flesh and blood. But Christ can. He asked for it. His burden is easy...and His yoke is light. Give him the honest opportunity to lift this awful burden from your heart and mind and spirit. Give yourself the opportunity to walk freely in the light of His goodness and generosity. You have commendably carried a tremendous load for such a delicate little flower, set it down now upon his broad and mighty shoulders, and once again run free as the child you were before your innocence was robbed of you. I love you Bassy. I prey that you will ask for and receive the freedom that God has been waiting to give you. Here is a big bear hug (from a short, fat unbearlike person) and a gentle kiss on your forehead, and a prayer for peace to envelope you, and a prayer that God keep you and watch over you and protect you all of the days of your tender and innocent life. In Christ's holy name I speak, amen.<br /><br />By the way Pat, I love you man. I'll share my Bud Light with you any day Brother

 

[Carphunter]

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SW, I agree, I would not make a very good God either, 'cause I know how I feel about this person, and forgiveness is not one of those feelings.<br /><br />I believe some people are destined for hell, no matter what. I'm sorry, but if a person rapes and murders a little girl, then he should be destined for hell. In my eyes, some sins are unforgiveable, and this is one of them. The most innocent and precious things in the world are all of our children. The horror that this little girl had to endure is unbearable for me to even think about.<br /><br />Events like this shake the foundations of my faith. How could this happen? Why was there not some form of intervention to keep this from happening? .......all sorts of questions like these go through my head. I always tell myself that there is no way I can comprehend what Gods plans for everyone are. I am not even worthy to question why. Someday, I will understand.<br /><br />I believe that judgement day will arrive for these people that commit these atrocious crimes, but that doesn't mean that they should not be tried, and sentenced accordingly, while they are here on Earth.<br /><br />Great post Soulwinner, you really got me to thinking.

 

[SoulWinner]

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Carpy,<br /><br />"You can lead a horse to water....but that doesn't make him a duck" N**ht C**rt, the Honorable Harry Stone <br /><br />I use that quote all the time <br /><br />To God all sin is unforgivable, this one as much as gluttony, sloth, idolatry etc. He, like the rest of us can find absolution for his sins from Christ. What rejoicing there would be in heaven if this lowest of the low found and embraced the true Light, while we look at each other scratching our heads in disbelief <br /><br />This topic is a delicate one. It gets at the root of very strong emotions. I am at a place where these strong emotions are over ruled by peacefulness. I am praying for the little girls soul, her family, her killer, Bassy and her father. I am asking God to give them all peace and rest, fullness and joy; not just them, but for every member of iBoats.

 

[Carphunter]

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lol at Soulwinner, I heard that years ago, but couldn't remember where...........Harry Stone, I will have to remember that. <br /><br />I am a greenhorn when it comes to religion. I first started attending Church, (Methodist), about four years ago. My family did not attend Church when I was a child. So I am probably not the best person to even comment. There is so much that I don't understand. I'm like a little kid in Kindergarten when i'm at Church, I just kinda sit there and take it all in. I look at the Pastor as a Teacher, and I am the student.<br /> <br />Its so hard to see silver linings to all the bad things that happen, something I am not very good at.<br /><br />I would like to think that someday I can be as forgiving as you Soulwinner, its very hard though when you were brought up the way I was.<br /><br />Peace to you brother.

 

[knobby]

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Soulwinner, <br />To me, fasting is showing God how bad you want Him to fix something in your life that you can't fix, and you want it so bad, you're willing to go without anything else you want to show Him how bad you want Him to fix it. And then,He knows you mean it.

 

[Bassy]

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Thank you SW. You brought lots of sunshine to my world today. I've been reading about Luke,"Dear and Glorious Physician", by Taylor Caldwell. Awesome book and lots of lessons learned. I know the struggle will subside the more I look to God and it has. It was just brought to the surface again this last summer. I tried for years to let the past be, but my Dad can be such a jerk and so selfish and uncaring, it just reminds me that he doesn't even know what he'd doing when he says hurtful things, but the little girl still wants to be special in his eyes and I need to stop doing that. Keeping distance is the best thing for now. They'll just have to understand. Mom does the smoothing over and I just won't accept that anymore. My Dad needs to be accountable. <br />So, I am healing, just need to be confident that I'm doing the right thing for me without feeling guilty. <br /> I agree that the little girl is with our Father and that's where I'll be someday, but not yet. There are things to do. Don't know what they are yet, but I'll be lead to them. <br /> Thank you for your words. They mean so much!!<br />Bassy