Jack plates, whats your feeling about them.

bob johnson

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Re: Jack plates, whats your feeling about them.

I have not used a surface-clever style prop.... so I am unfamiliar with its accompanying attrtibutes...

I would still wonder how your engine would pick up water running so high. seems like you re all set......enjoy

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phillnjack2

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Re: Jack plates, whats your feeling about them.

I myself have never run with high jack plates, but I have been assurd the water will climb up and feed the water pump slits in
the side of the leg.
I personally cannot see this being a good thing and will probably be having to fit a low water pick up.

But on you tube there is plenty of videos showing outboards using jack plates where they are running higher than mine yet still
getting plenty of water pressure.
one vid shows just how far up the leg it really climbs.
this I will be watching like a hawk on mine as water is my main concern.

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kfa4303

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Re: Jack plates, whats your feeling about them.

well it seems some people do not know a surface prop works, I still don't fully understand it myself, but its very
different to how sub surface stuff works that's for sure. with the surface prop I only ever want a max of 2 blades in
the water at one time to get the best results for speed.
to say the cav plate needs to be level with the bottom of the boat is very old school and only works good with very
poorly designed old school propellers.
Now the object of the jackplate is to raise the engine a long way up, not keep it level, I could have my cav plate 2 inches above the bottom of the boat without the jackplate, that made hardly no difference at all.

Cavitation will not be a problem with the propeller I shall be using , its meant to run with the centre of the hub level
with the surface of the water !!!!
I have other props where raised up engine would cause huge cavitation and slippage, I have proved this big time.
With a omc silver streak (modern name is SRX) prop this is not the case.

Nowdays a lot of boats have jack plates on them,many have two so they can get a long way back and run very high at same time.
you have to remember that for every inch you go back, you also need to come up to just stay normal running attitude.

if you put just a setback of say 10 inches on the transom the engine would be running far too deep and never be efficient.
If you look at many of todays race boats, they use a 15 inch mid section (that is short shaft) and a jack plate on a 20 inch transom (longshaft transom).
so by using the short shaft they have already gone up 5 inches, then another 5 by using the lifting jackplate, but also gone back 6 to 10 inches.

there are hundreds if not thousands who use spacers as well as huge setbacks and lifts.
here below is a few that work very well, and they are all running a lot higher than mine.
my plates are pretty sedate compared to some that are running very good speeds with no cavitation worries.

but it really is a case of using the right prop, a normal everyday alloy prop is useless when using jackplates.
Most bass boats for example use some really exotic stainless props that cost a small fortune, they can run both high
and normal.
I tried a omc 12 3/4 x 23 pitch alloy and at just 2 inches higher than normal its rubbish and gave just 34mph at 5800rpm
with a very poor take off, the cavitation was crazy and the boat dangerous as it caused it to veer off course and hard
to get back without shutting it down quickly.
my 13x19 inch stainless sst at the same height gave 38mph with a very quick pull away and max 5800rpm.
My 13 3/4x23 stainless silver streak gave 39.1mph at just 5400rpm,it needs to run higher up to get going.

in theory the alloy should of been the quickest due to being smaller diameter, but just had no bite and too much cavitation.

check these out, and notice that one has the jack plate showing fully down and fully up, his plate sits 5 inches above
the bottom when at its lowest setting , in thise pics the rope is showing the water angle when running.
the red thing in the last pic is just a 8 inch set back used before the jackplate !!! so this guy gets about 14 inches of setback with about 10 inches of lift .
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Also, notice that the last 3 pics have motors fitted with aftermarket "low water pick ups", which is yet another trick for getting super skinny. Between using a tunnel hull, jackplate, and low water pick up you can get away with having only about 1/2 the prop in the water at any given time, but keep an eye on the water pressure! It would be a shame to blow up a nice new motor. Here are some pics of them being made. There's a great guy here in N.FL if anyone needs one made.

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jbjennings

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Re: Jack plates, whats your feeling about them.

That's a nice looking setup, KFA! How much does one of those cleaver-style surface piercing props cost? I don't really need such a setup, but it might be neat to have the extra speed. ALso, any higher you can get the prop means less stump hits, right? :)
 

kfa4303

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I don't have one myself. I see them mostly on "newer/late model/through hub exhaust style lower units. I'm not exactly sure how much they cost. I'll see if I can find out. I'm guessing it's probably around the $300-$500 for a small motor, but I'll check......
 

phillnjack2

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Re: Jack plates, whats your feeling about them.

the surface props can be found just as cheap as any other stainless prop.
very often even cheaper on the fleabay etc as not many people run with them.

in the uk it only seems to be the real top race boats have them, not many people over here see the benefit (yet).
As for outboard performance the uk is lacking in the go faster mods/custom accessories etc.

Surface piercing is not brilliant for slow boats, that is not their intention, or for boats pulling heavy loads etc.
But when the highest top speed is wanted, then this seems to be the way to go.
but oprices no need to frighten anyone away, as although they are very high tec and add a bit of bling to the outfits, they are not what I would call too expensive compared to any other decent stainless prop.
Don't get me wrong, they are not as cheap as a solas prop, but then a solas prop is not much better than a decent alloy prop anyway.

Regarding the water pressure again, when looking at the back of a boat that is on plane, water shoots up straight away,often the hull
is around 4 to 5 inches below the normal surface of the water at the very back of the boat, as soon as the boat moves the water goes back to surface level and a touch higher.
It is this part of the water climbing back up the leg and then over the bulb/bullet shaped front of the gearbox.
Now when the water hits the gearbox bulb/bullet it spreads and goes along the gearbox under pressure and climbs up a fair bit.
If the centre line of the bullet is marginaly under water the caviutation plate will get smothered in water still even though its sitting a couple of inches above the surface.
the first pic in this post shows a large mercury running with a jack plate and the cavitaion plate around 4 inch above surface, but it is still
getting loads of water hitting it.

Above is mention of low water pick ups, this is now becoming a normal thing on larger outboards straight from the factory.
The Suzuki 200hp for example has the water pick up under the front of the bullet like many after market nose cones etc..if I have a problem with water pressure iwill be making myself a nose cone with a low water pick up built in ( well I will try to make one).
I am thinking about a nose cone anyway just for a touch more speed, every little tiny bit helps in my quest for top speed ha ha.
 
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