Johnson 110 VRO misfiring and dying

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Recently I had the hood off of my old 110 and was just looking things over and noticed I had an exposed wire coming from my terminal block (the wire is bright red) so after further inspection I realized that the wire was extremely corroded so I pulled the entire wire out and replaced it with a new one. I took my boat out yesterday and it had a very hard time starting and once it did it sounded as though it was misfiring and skipping, once I put it into gear it would only go to about 1/3 throttle and then wouldn’t rev any higher and just misfired worse so I shut it off. I checked compression and it’s the exact same as it was when I bought it, I also checked to make sure I have spark on all 4 plugs which I do. I’m stumped now and would love some input!
 

Joe Reeves

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Model number of the engine?.....
Any solid RED wire is a 12v supply, was the battery hooked up when you disconnected it, Any sparks flying about?.....
When was it that this engine ran normally last?
Has the engine been sitting for quite some time, and if so, how long?
 
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The engine was used 2 days prior to when it started having problems and was running normal, when I disconnected it there was some sparks (forgot to disconnect the battery) and it’s a 1986 Johnson 110 VRO
 

Joe Reeves

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Okay... From what you've said, the engine was running fine, then you took the hood off for some reason, discovered that corroded wire, removed it with sparks flying about.... then the very next time you used the engine, it was hard starting, misfiring, skipping, and would only go about 1/3 throttle.

Was there a reason for removed the hood in the first place?
Have you been having a problem with the tachometer on that rig?
Do you remember what the compression psi readings were?
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You didn't list a engine model number... That engine is usually factory equipped with a PTT unit as as such would be equipped with a Water Cooled Voltage Regulator/Rectifier Assembly. The tachometer sensor wire would be connected to that terminal strip and if acting up, do the following Tachometer Test.
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(Testing Tachometer With Water Cooled Regulator/Rectifier)
(J. Reeves)

A quick check is to simply plug in a another new tachometer as a piece of test equipment. If the new tach works properly and the old tach didn't, obviously the old tach is faulty.... but usually boaters don't carry around a spare tach (see below).

A faulty rectifier wouldn't damage the tachometer, the tachometer simply wouldn't work. This is due to the fact that the tachometer operates off of the charging system and the rectifier converts AC voltage to DC voltage, enabling the charging system. A faulty rectifier disables the charging system, and the tachometer simply doesn't register.

However.... those water cooled regulator/rectifiers that are used on the 35 ampere charging systems (and some others) bring into play a different type problem, and as you've probably found out, they are really a pain to troubleshoot via the proper procedure. There's an easier way.

The tachometer sending/receiving setup operates off of the gray wire at the tachometer. That same gray wire exists at the engine wiring harness which is connected to the engine electrical terminal strip. You'll see that there is a gray wire leading from the regulator/rectifier to that terminal strip, and that there is another gray wire attached to it. That other gray wire is the wire leading to the tachometer which is the one you're looking for.

NOTE: For the later models that DO NOT incorporate a wiring terminal strip, splicing into the "Yellow Wire" mentioned will be necessary.

Normally the Gray wire leading from the tachometer is attached at the terminal strip to another Gray wire which leads from the water cooled voltage regulator/rectifier...... remove the gray wire that leads to the tachometer. Now, find the two (2) yellow wires leading from the stator to that terminal strip. Hopefully one of them is either yellow/gray or is connected to a yellow/gray wire at the terminal strip. If so, connect the gray wire you removed previously to that yellow/gray terminal. Start the engine and check the tachometers operation, and if the tachometer operates as it should, then the regulator/rectifier is faulty and will require replacing. If the tachometer is still faulty, replace the tachometer.

If neither of the yellow wires from the stator is yellow/gray, and neither is attached to a yellow/gray wire, then attach that gray tachometer wire to either yellow stator wire, then the other yellow wire, checking the tachometer operation on both connections.

I've found this method to be a quick and efficient way of finding out which component is faulty.... the tachometer or the regulator/rectifier. It sounds drawn out but really only takes a very short time to run through. If the water cooled regulator/rectifier proves to be faulty, don't put off replacing it as they have been known to catch on fire with disastrous consequences.
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Unfortunately sparks flying about in that area could (and usually do) result in damage to the regulator/rectifier assy... and just as unfortunately find their shorting power to the powerpack..
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Having spark, if you're speaking of spark at the spark plug electrode doesn't tell us anything. With "all" of the spark plugs removed, the spark must jump a 7/16" air gap at cranking speed with a strong blue lightning like flame... a real SNAP! Does it? Nothing else will do as a spark test.
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(Spark Tester - Home Made)
(J. Reeves)

You can use a medium size philips screwdriver (#2 I believe) inserted into the spark plug boot spring connector, then hold the screwdriver shank approximately 7/16" away from the block to check the spark or build the following:

A spark tester can be made with a piece of 1x4 or 1x6, drive a few finishing nails through it, then bend the pointed ends at a right angle. You can then adjust the gap by simply twisting the nail(s). Solder a spark plug wire to one which you can connect to the spark plug boots, and a ground wire of some kind to the other to connect to the powerhead somewhere. Use small alligator clips on the other end of the wires to connect to ground and to the spark plug connector that exists inside of the rubber plug boot.

Using the above, one could easily build a spark tester whereas they could connect 2, 4, 6, or 8 cylinders all at one time. The ground nail being straight up, the others being bent, aimed at the ground nail. A typical 4 cylinder tester follows:

..........X1..........X2

.................X..(grd)

..........X3..........X4

This can obviously be modified to a 6 or 8 cylinder setup tester.
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Let us know what you find
 
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