johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

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how do i determine if the forward reverse switch is functioning correctly and or the shift assy. is working correctly. Does the lower unit require lube to function(motor not running) the shift. thanks
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

the lower unit requires a special lube, Premium Blend Type C oil, available at Johnson/Evinrude dealer or service center. motor has to be running to shift.

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The shifting setup of the lower unit is what's called a "Hydro Electric Shift", which is quite complex consisting of voltage being applied to solenoids in the lower unit which in turn change oil passages via a oil pump that supplies various pressure on a spring loaded shifter dog. The wires leading to the lower unit (at the powerhead) are "Green" and "Blue". The engine must be running or cranking over in order to shift out of forward gear.

You CAN NOT use HI VIS lube in that lower unit. You MUST USE what OMC calls "Premium Blend" lube, commonly called "Type C". (A thinner lube)

In neutral, you need 12v to the "Green" wire.
In reverse, you need 12v to both wires, the "Green" one and the "Blue" one.
In forward, there should be no voltage to either wire. (The spring loaded shifter dog forces the unit into forward gear)

To check the lower unit for proper shifting to make sure you have no trouble there, remove the spark plugs to avoid problems and to allow a higher cranking speed.

This next step eliminates the actual shift switch in case problems may exist there.... Disconnect the blue & green wires at the knife connectors (the rubber insulated boots) leading to the lower unit at the powerhead, then using jumpers, take voltage direct from the starter solenoid to apply voltage to the "Green" wire for neutral, then both wires 'Green" & "Blue" for reverse (Remember the engine must be cranking over in order to shift).
With no voltage applied, the unit should be in forward. No need for a ground jumper... the lower unit's already grounded. You may crank the engine with the key switch or by energizing the starter solenoid with a jumper wire.
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

If the motor isn't running it'll be in forward gear. The unit shifts out of forward into neutral and reverse via hydraulic pressure. The motor has to be running to turn the gears in the pump.
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

Thank you for your quick response I will get some type c lube and try again
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

I filled the lower unit with the proper lube, jumped the shift wires, I now have rev, neut, no fwd any suggestions?
 

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It should default to forward with all power disconnected from the wires. If it doesn't, more than likely the piston is jammed in the oil pump bore. Complete lower unit disassembly required if that is the case. BTW, that is caused by failure to maintain the unit with clean oil. Tiny chips and grit gets in there and jams it up.
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

Thanks again,
However, do I need to place the shift lever in fwd in order to rotate the prop?
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

Placed shifter in fwd. Still no fwd. Plugs out, ignition cranking. Were can I get an on-line repair manual for no cost? Thanks
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

there ain't one. unless you get lucky at a library. F_R better with these than me.
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

With the ignition switch in the OFF position, the default would be forward gear.

With the engine NOT RUNNING and the key in the OFF position, grab the propeller with your hand and attenpt to spin it. If it spins freely, the oil pump plunger is most likely stuck. If, on the other hand, it is now in gear, the lower unit is okay and you have the wrong shift switch installed. In which case (switch), see "Tashasdaddy's" above quote/reply of my wiring explanation of that lower unit.

Let us know the results.
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

If I break down the lower unit, is this just a piston cleaning or will I need need a new one. Just got the thing 2 days ago by the way
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

don't go tearing into anything, till you have a manual. follow Joes Recommendations. he is the other authority on these.
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

The only MDL# I can find is on a "Freeze plug" on the motors top. J3305234. with a large M. Is this a good # and where is the best place to find a manual. Thanks fellas. Jon
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

By the way,
This is the first time I have ever researched anything on-line. AMAZING results. Cyber 6-packs to all.
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

unhook the two shift wires are the motor and see if you have forward. We really need the model number here as we are just guessing that it is a hydroelectric shift. If it's an older electric shift it defaults to neutral if there is no voltage which is different from hydro electric shift. The number you gave does not match anything I have. There should be a plate on the transom bracket with a model number.
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

Re-read my last reply. You're obtaining good advice in the trouble shooting department. If you've followed the advice given, what was the result.
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

The engine is not running and the switch is off. Prop spins freely. This tells me that the plunger is stuck, as you have stated. How difficult is it to shadetree mechanic this. Plenty of tools and such. Thank-you for being patient with me. Jon
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

The lower unit will require a complete teardown in order to obtain access to the oil pump assembly. The spring loaded plunger and shifter dog is attached to the propshaft but apparently something is preventing it from entering the oil pump.

If you don't have a proper service manual, it would be wise to purchase one to prevent possible expensive errors.
 

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Re: johnson 60hp hydroelectric drive

without a model number to determine the year we don't know if it is a hydro electric shift. It if is prior to 68 then it would not be a hydro, but an regular electric shift. A regular electric shift will default to neutral. A regular electric will shift without the motor running so unhook the wires at the motor. Voltage on the green wire will give you forward and lock the prop and voltage to the blue wire reverse and lock the prop the other way. No voltage is neutral. It may be you have a standard electric shift and the wrong shift control.
 
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