Johnson v-4 low speed problems

Old Head

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I have a '71 Johnson 125 hp that I can't seem to get running right at low speed. Runs great over 3,000 rpm, but it's really rough below that. I've cleaned the carbs twice (took out the core plugs the second time) and went over the fuel system carefully. New fuel pump, new lines. I just decarbed it, with little effect. Compression is 115, 122, 123, 117. Seems to miss evenly when I pull the plug wires one by one. I'm pretty well stumped.
 

Terry H

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Re: Johnson v-4 low speed problems

Old Head...hope you changed out the float when you ridid the carbs...just a Thought
 

Old Head

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Re: Johnson v-4 low speed problems

I changed the floats and everything else that comes in the OMC carb kits. It did run better after I took out those core plugs and blew out the little holes underneath there, but something's still not right.
 

Old Head

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Re: Johnson v-4 low speed problems

What's the chance of a stuck open thermostat being my problem? I changed the plugs after it ran about 25 mins on the muffs today and the spark plugs were barely warm -- even at the tip. Even after sustained high-speed runs on the river, you can put your hand on the heads with no problem.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Johnson v-4 low speed problems

Old_Head.... Each carburetor on that model has adjustable slow speed needle valves, one for each cylinder.<br /><br />There is a nylon retainer/bushing at the very front of the carburetor where the needle valve enters. The original retainers were clear or black, both colors of which would not retain the needle valve firmly.... the needle could rotate due to engine viberation. The proper retainer to use is RED in color and will grip the needle valve so firmly that there is no need for the original interlocking linkages that tie the four valves together. This RED retainer is OMC part # 315232.<br /><br />The carburetor adjustment are touchy, pertaining to getting the slow speed needle valves set properly. The following instructions should be followed and performed one carburetor and one needle valve at a time ie Top Carb, Left Needle Valve first..... then Top Carb, Right Needle Valve, then to the bottom carb etc etc. If you attampt to adjust all four a little at a time, it gets really confusing and one loses track of what one did two minutes ago.<br /><br />Hopefully the following may cure your idle problems.... or at least help it somewhat.<br /><br /> (Dual Carb V/4 With 4 (2 each carb) Slow Speed Adjustable N/Valves)<br />The adjustment procedure of the carburetor slow speed needle valves follows. NOTE... if the needle valves turn too freely, replace the nylon bearing retainer (the nylon item at the front of the carb that the needle valve goes through first) with the newer type RED retainer #315232. If your engine has that weird linkage that connects all four of those needle valves, the newer RED retainers will enable you to discard that linkage. The RED retainers make it impossible for the needle valves to viberate out of adjustment. <br /><br />(Carburetor Adjustment - 2 Slow Speed Adjustable Needle Valves, each carburetor) <br /><br />Initial setting is: All (4) Slow speed valves = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns. <br /><br />Facing the carburetors, start with the top left needle valve, then the top right valve, then the bottom let valve, then the bottom right valve. It may be necessary to redo these steps to get the adjustments ideally set <br /><br />Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running. <br /><br />Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting. <br /><br />Do not attempt to gradually adjust all four of the valves at the same time. Do one at a time until you hit the above response (die out or spit back), then go on to the next valve. <br /><br />When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.
 

Old Head

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Re: Johnson v-4 low speed problems

Joe: <br /><br />Thanks very much for this great advice. The carb kit I installed came with the red retainers and they seem to do the job well. I'd like to try the adjustment today, but it's been raining here in the Northeast for what seems like a long time. Maybe next week.<br /><br />If that doesn't clear it, what do you think about the thermostat?<br /><br />Thanks again.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Johnson v-4 low speed problems

Old_Head.... It's possible for a thermostat (vernatherm) to be stuck in the open position, or even missing in a engine that has a few years on it, and of course that would affect engine operation to a degree.<br /><br />Whether that type condition would cause your problem is an unknown, but it wouldn't hurt to have a new one installed just to make sure the engine's running at the proper temperture.
 

Old Head

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Re: Johnson v-4 low speed problems

Thanks again Joe for your great wisdom. I'll try the carb adjustment procedure soon as this rain lets up. Failing that I'll order the thermostat parts.
 
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