just another small observation

[rodbolt]

in reguards to the late trampling of the US constitution by various parties.
I am alarmed at how many people and even posters on this board are to willing to give up ANY part of the US constitution based soley on one persons word and with the thought they MAY be safer and gladly hand over the power to the govt.
having just returned from Venezuela,yep the fishing was great, I draw your attention to the crazy man south of the border and away from the crazy one inside our border.

for 5 years I have been telling my fiancee exactly what Chavez was doing and going to do.
now he is a democratically elected dictator.
he did it in small increments and did it using"national security" as a mouth piece.
now he is not only going to rule by decree,again,this time he can rule by decree on anything not just financial matters. all in the name of "national security".
for those that have never been,VE is a wonderful country with very friendly folks that actually like americans.
the history of the VE govts is a bit shadey with the current leader at in my opinion"madman" status.
however my point is once you start ceeding powers reserved by the Constitution to a single head of state it starts a slide that may be irreverible. the latest in crazy laws is the ant-spanking one.
so even if it does not directly affect you,if you allow any of the US Constitution to be usurped by a single person, the beginning of the end is in sight.
thats why we have laws,courts and an amendable constitution.
presidents come and go,always have always will . THE US CONSTITUTION NEEDS TO STAY.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: just another small observation

in reguards to the late trampling of the US constitution by various parties.
I am alarmed at how many people and even posters on this board are to willing to give up ANY part of the US constitution based soley on one persons word and with the thought they MAY be safer and gladly hand over the power to the govt.
having just returned from Venezuela,yep the fishing was great, I draw your attention to the crazy man south of the border and away from the crazy one inside our border.

for 5 years I have been telling my fiancee exactly what Chavez was doing and going to do.
now he is a democratically elected dictator.
he did it in small increments and did it using"national security" as a mouth piece.
now he is not only going to rule by decree,again,this time he can rule by decree on anything not just financial matters. all in the name of "national security".
for those that have never been,VE is a wonderful country with very friendly folks that actually like americans.
the history of the VE govts is a bit shadey with the current leader at in my opinion"madman" status.
however my point is once you start ceeding powers reserved by the Constitution to a single head of state it starts a slide that may be irreverible. the latest in crazy laws is the ant-spanking one.
so even if it does not directly affect you,if you allow any of the US Constitution to be usurped by a single person, the beginning of the end is in sight.
thats why we have laws,courts and an amendable constitution.
presidents come and go,always have always will . THE US CONSTITUTION NEEDS TO STAY.

Hey Rodbolt, Don't mean to fire you up; but: did you ever notice how Hugo C. sounds just like a domestic Democrat? Lots o' lefties love ol' Hugo, (ya know Cindy an' Danny, an' Harry n' all)?. Fact Democrats and OBL and his followers seem to use the same talking points? Hmmmmmmmm. Makes ya think a li'l eh Rodbolt? 8)8)JR

 

[rodbolt]

Re: just another small observation

so does Bush and a lot of the neocons.
I deont trust any of them. especially when they say, trust me I know best.
actually Chavez sounds more like Bush than the rest.
ya really really out to carefully read Chavez's speeches and Bush speech's for the past 5 years.
about the only part I missed in my predictions to Mayte in the past 5 years is I said Chavez would have it done by late 08 or early 09. I missed it by a year.

but I am still 4 times closer than Rummy and dummy were on the Iraq debacle .

 

[Plainsman]

Re: just another small observation

Yeah but isn't HC taking control of the oil/gas, electric and other things? PBS

Don't see President Bush doing that, do ya rod? Have you moved yet?

The Demagogues living here will not see this, they have the hillary blinders are on. Just the same old rants and lies.

One of my favorites is that republicans use "fear"
Well so does the left, "Global warming is the fault of man, The caps are melting and millions will drown", sounds like a fear tactic to me.

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: just another small observation

I said it before and I'll never stop. Every Civil Liberty lost is Spit in the faces of those that fought and died to give them to us. Anyone willing to give them up might as well urinate on the headstones in Arlington National Cemetary and deficate on the American Flag.

 

[QC]

Re: just another small observation

Every Civil Liberty lost is Spit in the face of those that fought and died to give them to us.

Agreed. Just let me know when you lose one . . .

 

[Plainsman]

Re: just another small observation

I said it before and I'll never stop. Every Civil Liberty lost is Spit in the faces of those that fought and died to give them to us. Anyone willing to give them up might as well urinate on the headstones in Arlington National Cemetary and deficate on the Flag.

I still want to know what civil rights have been lost to americans, I fought for my country and don't feel as if I have been spit on.

 

[JRJ]

Re: just another small observation

Farewell Address to the American People by President Dwight D. Eisenhower Jan. 17, 1961

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

Spoken 46 years ago and still relevant.

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: just another small observation

That's the problem. You Neocons don't see it ... yet. You don't feel you've been violated ... yet. The so-called Patriot Act provides the avenue. Maybe you think your President isn't abusing it ... yet. Maybe you don't feel your President isn't abusing his soldiers service ... yet. The evidence has been presented time and time again. You just don't want to see it. But sooner or later you will. Your blind loyalty is preventing you from seeing the truth for now. Change parties in the White House and you will see it differently. That is a promise. The next President may not be as bad as this one. The next President might be worse. Only then will you know. If you haven't recognized it yet, I can't help you. Just keep watch. Your eyes will be opened. Sooner or later, it'll smack you square in the face.

 

[Plainsman]

Re: just another small observation

If a dem gets in into the White House, yes I will be scared, no matter what. Sorry that I trust President Bush more than you do. And if the Patriot Act is such a bad thing and the dems agree that it is, then it can be repealed by them. But I'm afriad that if a dem gets elected, then all of a sudden it will be a great thing. I haven't heard a dem that has any answer to any problems the US is facing. Only criticism and empty promises. Same sh@t, different day.

 

[QC]

Re: just another small observation

WBW,

I don't even know what a neocon is, so enlighten me. And I am still waiting for an answer. I don't know of one freedom lost other than airport stuff and crossing bridges with a trailer, and as I have said numerous times, I know who took that from me :|

The level at which Skinnywater argues this point may be valid. This civil liberties lost angle is not . . .

 

[treedancer]

Re: just another small observation

Quote QC

I don't know of one freedom lost other than airport stuff and crossing bridges with a trailer, and as I have said numerous times, I know who took that from me

Guess we can start here, this is if you’re a US citizen, if you’re a Canadian citizen they can run off to to Syria and let them torture you and bring you back.

Tuesday, September 19th, 2006
Canadian Inquiry Finds Torture Survivor Maher Arar Completely Innocent, Criticizes U.S. For 'Rendition' to Syria
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/19/1348206

Most conservatives would be surprised to learn that the Patriot Act and Department of Homeland Security was the brainchild of Clinton. A Republican Congress denied Clinton the opportunity to implement these plans. Of course, with Bush serving as President, that same Congress was all too eager to pass these bills into law.

Following are examples of freedoms, which President Bush and his fellow Republicans in Congress have already expunged (as reported by the Associated Press):

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions
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FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

 

[Plainsman]

Re: just another small observation

Well the bottom 2 may affect me, if that is the way the law is written, but I assume those would apply to Americans LINKED to terrorism . I am not a terrorist and not breaking any laws, so I don't see how I am affected.

Do you have a link to the actual law? I know how you like to do research Don.8)

But I am sure if the ACLU and all their supporters on the forum had their way, OBL could live in LA and we couldn't do a thing about it. Wouldn't want to violate his rights, now would we?

 

[treedancer]

Re: just another small observation

lQuote Plainsman

Do you have a link to the actual law? I know how you like to do research Don.8)

Of course Eric enjoy,lots of other information there if you care to look.8)

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/resources/17343res20031114.htm

 

[Plainsman]

Re: just another small observation

No ,the actual law, not the ACLU version of it. Sorry if I can't bring myself to believe someone that defends NAMBLA and attacks the boyscouts.See the irony there?

 

[QC]

Re: just another small observation

That's BS treedancer. Like Eric said, the law and the loss please . . . Not some spin doctor BS version, the law . . .

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: just another small observation

Why bother with these 17 percenters? They don't listen to or believe anybody but St. Rush or the Fox News scribes. Their only Favorites publication links are Insight and Drudge. They'll never recognize Truth until the shoe is on the other foot, and then they'll never admit to you, I, or even themselves that thier leaders participation in the exact same policies was congruous. They just go blindly along in their own little Neocon worlds believing that you can wage war of agression without consequence, violate treaties without losing credibility, and cut taxes without burdening future generations from deficit spending in the trillions of dollars. Something as obvious as simple logic will never phase them. They're always right and the rest of the world is always wrong. Their only tangible power comes compliments of our current President whose power is waning with each and every ridiculous action, and when he is gone, they will fade into the shadows of fanatacism along with him. It would be nice to believe that such tragic figures can be helped with reason, but they can't. They can only be marginalized, which they accomplish all by themselves in the end. They delude themselves into believing they have the ears of the world upon them, but they're all just Squeaky Wheels.

From Wikipedia (for QC)...
Neoconservatism is a political movement, mainly in the United States, which is generally held to have emerged in the 1960s, coalesced in the 1970s, and has had a significant presence in the administration of George W. Bush.

The prefix neo- refers to two ways in which neoconservatism was new. First, many of the movement's founders, originally Liberals, Democrats or from Socialist backgrounds, were new to conservatism. Also, neoconservatism was a comparatively recent strain of conservative socio-political thought. It derived from a variety of intellectual roots in the decades following World War II, including literary criticism and the social sciences.

more...Neoconservatism

( Note the words in bold. Now you know why I say that Neoconservatism is an abomination of traditional Conservatism. )

 

[treedancer]

Re: just another small observation

Quote QC

That's BS treedancer. Like Eric said, the law and the loss please . . . Not some spin doctor BS version, the law . . .

I had several …I would assume suitable links but Willy talked me out of providing them.8)

 

[KaGee]

Re: just another small observation

Rod, one thing different here than there, we have a government compiled of three separate entities. The Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches that share power and each serve to balance the rest. It would be next to impossible for a conservative to place himself in a dictator type role because of the role Liberal Democrats play in the other two branches.

Some of you all complain about the Patriot Act as if GW enacted it on his own. Guess you didn't learn your Civics lessons very well.

 

[BoatBuoy]

Re: just another small observation

Some of you all complain about the Patriot Act as if GW enacted it on his own. Guess you didn't learn your Civics lessons very well.

I can't find anywhere here where someone said that GW passed the patriot act on his own. Am I missing it?