keep blowing valve cover gaskets

ninob

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I have a 96 3.0lx and i keep blowing the gasket on the valve cover, I have replaced it lots of times and same thing. I have the right torque on the bolts and have also added silicone. Can anyone suggest anything that might help with this..
 

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Re: keep blowing valve cover gaskets

I have never worked on that engine, so this is a bit of a WAG on my part. But I would look at the crankcase ventilation system,such as the PCV. That may not be functioning properly, causing excessive crankcase pressure, and leaking oil through the cover gasket as well as possibly through the seals. Also check the oil level to make sure it is not overfilled.

Have a great day

Rob.
 

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Re: keep blowing valve cover gaskets

The cover didn't have a pcv valve, just a hose tube to the flame arrestor. I replaced the hose with a k/n breather filter. but it still leaks..
 

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Re: keep blowing valve cover gaskets

Get a new gasket. Clean the valve cover and the head where the gasket goes. Make sure there isn't any oil. Also make sure the gasket surface on the valve cover is flat. Put it together with NO SEALER of any kind. Maybe a little bellows adhesive to hold it onto the valve cover for installation, but that's all.
 

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Can anyone tell me how to hook a tach meter to check if my tach on the boat is accurate?. I want to compare them and see if its off calibration.. I suspect that it not, so i might be over reving the engine, wich is causing the seal to blow..
 

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Tach has nothing to do with it. Just clean off the old gasket clean up the valve cover. Don meant to say NO SEALER, but if you wish you can tack it down with some gasket glue or perfect seal in the corners, but just a dab will do ya.

Also, put your valvecover down on a flat work surface and make sure it's not twisted in any way.
 

ninob

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Re: keep blowing valve cover gaskets

If the engine is reved to high, wouldn't that creat to much pressure?
 

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No.
Where are you getting that idea?
Do as Don advised.
 

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Re: keep blowing valve cover gaskets

If the engine is reved to high, wouldn't that creat to much pressure?

Ayuh,... If that's True, you have Much Greater Problems, much Deeper....
Like No Rings...
 

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Re: keep blowing valve cover gaskets

I did a compression test and its reading 130 psi across the board.
 

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With 130 lbs compression you sure don't have that much blow by.
 

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Re: keep blowing valve cover gaskets

130psi is that too low or is it average. I thought 140 was best psi
 

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There is no best psi, it is determined by the compression ratio of engine.
 

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Just to elaborate a little on what Don is telling you about the valve cover, being you've had leaking problems, you more than likely at some point torqued down on the bolts squishing the gasket and disfiguring the sealing flange, when you remove the tappet cover take a close look at the sealing surface, I'll bet you'll see a wavy up and down surface caused by pinching down too much on the gasket, you'll have to find ya a nice flat thin piece of steel that will fit along the flange, set the cover back on the head without the gasket and tap tap tap with your flat piece of steel across the topside of the flange, it won't take much to straighten it out. I hope you understand what we're saying, I've seen so many deformed valve covers I can almost smell them.
When you put the new gasket on there weather it be cork or rubber, tighten the bolts snug only to put some pressure on the gasket not squish it to death, and use 1/4" ratchet nothing bigger, if all you have are 3/8 drive than realy go light on the bolts, tighten evenly in steps going around them 3 or 4 times, resist the temptation to crank down on the bolts.
 

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Re: keep blowing valve cover gaskets

Don't over tighten your bolts because that will cause oil leaks as well.
 

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Compression pressure is essentially the same whether your idling your engine or at WOT. If your your worried about too low a pressure which at your stated psi (130) - it's definitely conducive to combustion - but depending on you engine specs it might be too low. An easy way to tell if you have excessive ring/wall clearance is look at your exhaust. If it spits out lots of exhaust, especially blue smoke - bad (though this could mean your valve guides are shot also) . If you regularly are adding oil to keep it at the same level on the dip stick despite avg. boat use - bad. As others said, most likely you got a deformed mating surface on your thin walled valve covers. Good luck.
 

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Re: keep blowing valve cover gaskets

Make sure the covers straight,lay it on a known flat surface.Sometimes they get twisted or bent when there stuck and someone prys them off.
 

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Re: keep blowing valve cover gaskets

Compression pressure is essentially the same whether your idling your engine or at WOT. If your your worried about too low a pressure which at your stated psi (130) - it's definitely conducive to combustion - but depending on you engine specs it might be too low. An easy way to tell if you have excessive ring/wall clearance is look at your exhaust. If it spits out lots of exhaust, especially blue smoke - bad (though this could mean your valve guides are shot also) . If you regularly are adding oil to keep it at the same level on the dip stick despite avg. boat use - bad. As others said, most likely you got a deformed mating surface on your thin walled valve covers. Good luck.

If this was true, then an engine would essentialy produce the same torque regardless of the rpm it was operating at... :eek:

Compression ratio is a constanst, but cylinder pressure has to increase with rpm. How can a cylinder at 5000 rpm that is drawing in more fuel and air not have a higher pressure than a cylinder at 600 rpm? All that fuel and air takes up more room in the combustion chamber, the valves shut, the piston squeezes, the spark plug fires and boom big pressure. At idle a relatively low amount of fuel and air comes in the cylinder, the valves shut, the piston squeezes, the spark plug fires and boom little pressure.

In the simplest of terms, this increase in pressures is what makes your exhaust louder as rpm increases, requires a increase in ignition timing to burn all that extra fuel and air, etc. Just think of an engine as an air pump as that's all it is. Ever pump up a bike tire with a manual pump? The faster you stroke the pump the quicker the tire inflates due to the increase in pressure (and this increase in pressure is what makes your arms tired faster).

Any easier way to check for excessive ring clearance is to do a dry compression test then do a wet compression test by squirting in a bit of engine oil into the cylinder being tested. If the gauge reading goes up considerably with the wet test, then you have a ring or excessive piston clearance concern as the oil will temporarily seal up the excessive clearance (unless a piston is severely damaged or you have a broken piston ring). But with his number of 130 psi I would imagine things are fine. Since the OP didn't indicate if he did his test with a well charged battery, all the spark plugs removed or with the throttle at WOT for his compression test we are all just guessing..

Okay enough thread hijacking...

To the OP, make sure your valve cover is flat, both surfaces need to be clean and dry. Purchase a good gasket and don't over torque the fasteners..
 

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Re: keep blowing valve cover gaskets

billy4hp said:
Compression ratio is a constanst, but cylinder pressure has to increase with rpm.

Off topic... But that is completely not true in naturally asperated engines.
Compression ratio is constant in every engine, but cyl PSI is certainly not... need a supercharger or turbo for that.

Read about doing a static vs dynamic compression test and you'll see what i'm talking about.

billy4hp said:
How can a cylinder at 5000 rpm that is drawing in more fuel and air not have a higher pressure than a cylinder at 600 rpm?

It draws more fuel and air because your making RPMS.

But in fact if you break it down, the higher the RPMS go, the lower the cylinder psi goes per stroke.

It's all about volumetric efficiency
 
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