Kid's OB boat. TOO DANG FAST!!!

nitsuj

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Re: Kid's OB boat. TOO DANG FAST!!!

Clearly this has nothing to do with the situation, are you just looking for a reason to preach?

I offered an opinion, and tried to do it respectfully. My opinion was about the situation. And taken from personal experience.

Your response however, had no bearing on the situation, and only served to critique me. So in your eyes, its bad if I post my opinion if you don't think it's helpful. But it's ok if you post without even trying to help, only to bash me. I guess at least you have a nice view in your glass house.
 

jkust

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Re: Kid's OB boat. TOO DANG FAST!!!

How fast do you estimate it goes at WOT? 45...50?
 

26aftcab454

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Re: Kid's OB boat. TOO DANG FAST!!!

I think you should keep the boat as is and tell them not to run over 4000rpm and wear PFDs-pay for thier own gass & oil... if you find out otherwise take the keys for awhile. yes boys will be boys- But they my prove to be responsible.
 

Bigprairie1

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Re: Kid's OB boat. TOO DANG FAST!!!

I'd get rid of that boat and buy them a tinny with 9.9 on it until they exhibit responsible behavior and they demonstrate how to maintain it and pay for it.
Not saying they are bad characters or anything like that but there is no sense in giving teenage boys hp and expecting too much responsibility without incident to follow. Rights of passage....its your risk.
Just my two bits and good luck.;):D
BP:):cool:
 

pmat1

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Re: Kid's OB boat. TOO DANG FAST!!!

I bought a hydrofoil for my boat and it took 15 off my top speed. might work for you
 

jdlough

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I bought a hydrofoil for my boat and it took 15 off my top speed. might work for you

Ok, I don't know if you meant it, but that cracked me up!

Ok, You guys got me thinking real hard. Long post, so settle down, or skip to the next one.

I think, just maybe, I'm a wuss. I will hang-glide, rappel off cliffs, catch rattlesnakes. I will NOT ride a roller coaster, be in a boat with a drinking driver, and I HATE being a passenger even in a car. So maybe most of the problem is with me.

The kids (13 and 15) already have responsibility of their boat itself (gas, oil, PFDs, keeping it ship-shape, etc). My responsibility is the lift, seaworthiness, safety plan, training, etc. I'm ex-Navy, for what that's worth. Should have joined the Coast Guard - they know real boats.

The entire family has already taken several boating safety classes, and we all have about 4 years experience with a 17' wooden skiff with an 8HP tiller outboard. It sank in a storm at the dock. My bad. Old post.

This spring, I got a 21' Seaswirl 2100 Duel Console with a 175HP Johnson Outboard. This was the first boat with a steering wheel for any of us. The boys got good with this boat quickly. They know when to futz with the trim, and more often than not, they are the ones to park it on the lift, in the current/wind. When I was letting them learn, I HATED loosing sight of the horizon while they tentatively brought it up on plane. I installed Smart Tabs SX. They both recognized the benefits immediately without me telling them. "Wow, the boat pops right up now, what did you do?" And it seems now that they naturally drive slower.

Sitting in their boat, you're right down near the water, so 40MPH feels like 60MPH.

The 13 year old (150 lbs) is still learning all the ropes - the 15 year old
(240 lbs - big boys) has them down. He makes sure (in a loud voice) that Everyone is seated before he takes off to start another tube run. (I stood up to check something while underway, he yelled "Sit your ***** DOWN". I was chagrined and proud.) My wife thinks it relates to me not letting the car move without everyone seat belted.

The 13 year old is a wuss like me, fortunately. When out teaching him, I kinda wish he'd go faster. But, each learns at his own speed.

The 15 year old is too competent, but I must admit, he is cautious enough.
He just likes to go faster than I, as a passenger, would like. He takes no stupidly sharp turns at high speed though. He does like skipping over the mini chop. Like that Miami Vice opening bit.

They each have their own key, attached by kill switch lanyard to their own PFD.
We've watched MANY YouTube videos of knuckleheads flipping their boats at speed over a wake. They understand.

Before I let them take the boat even with me for the first time, I took it out myself. I gunned the heck outta it, quick S turns, stupid things. The boat took it all in stride. I felt safe. (I would NOT have felt safe as a passenger)

The only issue was stopping too quickly without turning. The wash dumped a couple hundred gallons over the transom into the boat. The boat never noticed. I took off again and the water dumped itself out over the transom.

I had a couple of boating-experienced friends try the boat. The unanimous response was, "Holy Sh**!" They said if they were a teenage kid, they'd love it. If they were the kids' dad, well, umm.

So, I think that for now, the kids won't push it too much. Meanwhile they get more skilled. The boat itself I think IS a bit over powered, and under sized for themselves and their friends fishing in the coming years. It only holds about 640lbs max people. So, I will not be in too much of a hurry, but I think eventually a bigger boat is in their future.

The best is if I find a nice 19' CC underpowered with a 50HP OB, and just switch. We'd all have a nice 85HP fishing boat, and a nice little 50HP skiff.

Then I could stay happy being a wuss.

(I AM going to take a closer look at the throttle linkage, though. I bet there is a way to knock back the WOT without affecting the gear shifting!)

Thanks for all your thoughts, and the more you got me thinking on it, the prouder I am of those kids,

Jim
 

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xxturbowesxx

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Re: Kid's OB boat. TOO DANG FAST!!!

Just tell them you will be watching and if you find them doing anything irresponsible you will put a for sale sign on the boat. Just instill the fear that the boat can be gone at any moment due to their actions. On a side note boys will be boys so you may have to let some stuff slide;)
 

jdlough

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Re: Kid's OB boat. TOO DANG FAST!!!

xx'x dude,
Yeah, they know I'm watching.

I already know the "I'm pretending I didn't see that so I don't have to throw your electronical game thing in the river" look. (About once a year I do something like this so they know it may be real)

Jim
 

pine island fred

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Re: Kid's OB boat. TOO DANG FAST!!!

Sure hope you are right. There has got to be some responsible 15 & 13 year olds out there, I just have not seen them recently. My opinion only, the only way I would be comfortable with a youngster operating 85 hp. would be them driving a big tractor harvesting corn in KANSAS. Word of caution, do not allow them to have any friends on board. Just like filling a car up with a bunch of adolecents.
Bit off the subject, well off family up in BUFFALO bought the son a brand new LEXUS when he got his license. Fill the car up with youngsters and take it on one of these roads where you can go airborn at the crest of the hill. Car did go airborne but did not come down on all 4s like in the movies, front end hits first and the car cartwheels with resultant injuries. Big fix was buying him a LAND ROVER, figured it would be safer. ????? !!! regards FRED
 

fast50

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Re: Kid's OB boat. TOO DANG FAST!!!

being only 21 that would be a dream boat at 16 they will learn right and wrong pretty fast i was given my first car at 14 and it was a v8 mustang with a 5 speed by the time i got my license i was able to hang it sideways safely but that is because i went out and pushed it to see how it would react and learn how to get it do what i wanted it to do
 

pmat1

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Re: Kid's OB boat. TOO DANG FAST!!!

Ok, I don't know if you meant it, but that cracked me up!


Jim

Nope as soon as i put it on my top speed went from 33 to 18, was running great too.
 

Jeep Man

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Re: Kid's OB boat. TOO DANG FAST!!!

Ok, I don't know if you meant it, but that cracked me up!

Ok, You guys got me thinking real hard. Long post, so settle down, or skip to the next one.

I think, just maybe, I'm a wuss. I will hang-glide, rappel off cliffs, catch rattlesnakes. I will NOT ride a roller coaster, be in a boat with a drinking driver, and I HATE being a passenger even in a car. So maybe most of the problem is with me.

The kids (13 and 15) already have responsibility of their boat itself (gas, oil, PFDs, keeping it ship-shape, etc). My responsibility is the lift, seaworthiness, safety plan, training, etc. I'm ex-Navy, for what that's worth. Should have joined the Coast Guard - they know real boats.

The entire family has already taken several boating safety classes, and we all have about 4 years experience with a 17' wooden skiff with an 8HP tiller outboard. It sank in a storm at the dock. My bad. Old post.

This spring, I got a 21' Seaswirl 2100 Duel Console with a 175HP Johnson Outboard. This was the first boat with a steering wheel for any of us. The boys got good with this boat quickly. They know when to futz with the trim, and more often than not, they are the ones to park it on the lift, in the current/wind. When I was letting them learn, I HATED loosing sight of the horizon while they tentatively brought it up on plane. I installed Smart Tabs SX. They both recognized the benefits immediately without me telling them. "Wow, the boat pops right up now, what did you do?" And it seems now that they naturally drive slower.

Sitting in their boat, you're right down near the water, so 40MPH feels like 60MPH.

The 13 year old (150 lbs) is still learning all the ropes - the 15 year old
(240 lbs - big boys) has them down. He makes sure (in a loud voice) that Everyone is seated before he takes off to start another tube run. (I stood up to check something while underway, he yelled "Sit your ***** DOWN". I was chagrined and proud.) My wife thinks it relates to me not letting the car move without everyone seat belted.

The 13 year old is a wuss like me, fortunately. When out teaching him, I kinda wish he'd go faster. But, each learns at his own speed.

The 15 year old is too competent, but I must admit, he is cautious enough.
He just likes to go faster than I, as a passenger, would like. He takes no stupidly sharp turns at high speed though. He does like skipping over the mini chop. Like that Miami Vice opening bit.

They each have their own key, attached by kill switch lanyard to their own PFD.
We've watched MANY YouTube videos of knuckleheads flipping their boats at speed over a wake. They understand.

Before I let them take the boat even with me for the first time, I took it out myself. I gunned the heck outta it, quick S turns, stupid things. The boat took it all in stride. I felt safe. (I would NOT have felt safe as a passenger)

The only issue was stopping too quickly without turning. The wash dumped a couple hundred gallons over the transom into the boat. The boat never noticed. I took off again and the water dumped itself out over the transom.

I had a couple of boating-experienced friends try the boat. The unanimous response was, "Holy Sh**!" They said if they were a teenage kid, they'd love it. If they were the kids' dad, well, umm.

So, I think that for now, the kids won't push it too much. Meanwhile they get more skilled. The boat itself I think IS a bit over powered, and under sized for themselves and their friends fishing in the coming years. It only holds about 640lbs max people. So, I will not be in too much of a hurry, but I think eventually a bigger boat is in their future.

The best is if I find a nice 19' CC underpowered with a 50HP OB, and just switch. We'd all have a nice 85HP fishing boat, and a nice little 50HP skiff.

Then I could stay happy being a wuss.

(I AM going to take a closer look at the throttle linkage, though. I bet there is a way to knock back the WOT without affecting the gear shifting!)

Thanks for all your thoughts, and the more you got me thinking on it, the prouder I am of those kids,

Jim

I'll trade you even for my 14' tinny with a 30 rude. That will slow 'em down. LOL
 
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