Koran in toilet = hate crime

[OldMercsRule]

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Most of this thread is a hate crime as far as I am concerned.

JB, ya really want to have big brother burn us all down for thoughts and expressions of those thoughts? Who was harmed here? Did the terlet plug up?

I am ashamed that my friends cannot see who the real enemy is and want to attack all of Islam and the Koran to punish radicals who violate the spirit of Islam and the Koran.

JB, I've done a lot of readin' of history n' the philosophy of the Religion o' Peace since 9/11, and how Muslims n' the followers of "SUBMISSION" have cornducted themselves since the seventh century.

Since Mohamed came out of the desert n' he n' his followers amassed a very capable army to very ruthlessly conquer much of the Mediterranean and Southern Asia I see absolutely no evidence of what your talkin' about here. Back in those days he and his buds gave those who fell under the Muslim swords two choices: renounce yer God, (a fairly big deal in those days) n' pray to Mecca five times a day and live as you are told or loose yer head.

His, (Mohamed's) personal characteristics of taking multiple wives (some very young) also fail to favorably impress me.

Even our pal Genghis Kahn was favorably impressed with the population corntrol of "SUBMISSION" and accepted the murderious philosophy as his own when he rode his hordes Westward to Europe. The Koran is very specific in instruction of very harsh policies towards non believers that has in fact been practiced since Mohamed's time. So with my stated gauntlet I just threw down please share why I or any other non believer should have this warm n'; fuzzy feelin' about the Religion o' Peace ya think we should all have??


I don't see a conviction in this case unless there is evidence of circumstances not explained in the article. I cannot imagine a sensationalist rag like NYDN passing up any dirt not explained.

I agree that it is hard to get excited about any Media hype job, and you are correct in yer position here IMHO. That said: I have a great deal of respect fer you JB, and you may actually have a logical argument fer yer defence of what to me seems indefendable. Islam as it is written and as it has been practiced since the foundation of the Religion is NOT A RELIGON OF PEACE. You speak of the "spirit of Islam", that spirit you speak of surely has not presented itself since the Religon has been here, (maybe you know of some history that I am unaware of). Please show me where I'm wrong here! Respectfully JR

 

[12Footer]

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A five dollar book is worth 4 years in jail?

A judge sentanced him. Think about it.
Where do judges come from? A pool of liberal lawyers. right?
I'm just suprised the judge wasn't wearing a turbin.

Most of this thread is a hate crime as far as I am concerned.

I am ashamed that my friends cannot see who the real enemy is and want to attack all of Islam and the Koran to punish radicals who violate the spirit of Islam and the Koran.

I don't see a conviction in this case unless there is evidence of circumstances not explained in the article. I cannot imagine a sensationalist rag like NYDN passing up any dirt not explained.

No way, eh. You are not alllowed to be ashamed. Nobody that you know of builds IED's for ALA. Those Muslims amoung us (if any) are speachless.
This is because the islamo fascists have redefined what the Muslim faith now is. That is not debateable. Just the way it is. By their silence, the sheep of their church have ALLOWED it. Not saying they participated,JB.. Just that they stood by while they flew jets into buildings, and either did nothing, or silently slipped another twenty into the collection plate at the mosque.
You've seen what happens when some evangelical nutjob like the unibomber strikes....Pay heed to the reaction of those churches. There should be a major difference.
Hate crimes are hate crimes. 4 years is unjust, regardless of our opinions upon tthis thief's motives.
It makes no difference if I am happy or angry when I shoot somebody dead -- they are still dead. Remorse or no remorse, my penalty should be the same in either case.

 

[POINTER94]

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Burn an American Flag and you are a liberal hero and role model. Flush a koran and you are committing a hate crime.

Look how far we have sunk into liberal, political correctness. PUKE!!!!

Your feelings towards Muslims are meaningless in this case. The crime is in the act. A clear act of protest. PROTECTED SPEECH!!!! Any question what would NOT be happening if it was a bible?

 

[Limited-Time]

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I just hope RF's two pic post don't invoke the wrath of the religion of peace. Theres no telling how many lives that may cost.

 

[12Footer]

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All Nazis were evil. All Bolsheviks are commie. All Libs are Socialists. All Muslims are terrorists. Read your history.

Perhaps. But how many does it actually take to take out a aegis class destroyer?


Martin Niemoeller's message, in its true form, carries a powerful moral impact.
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me."

I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin... It happened in Nazi Gremany, and thruout recorded history. It will happen this time too.

 

[Mark42]

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Lots of Muslims where I work. This topic of radical vs normal has come up before. The bottom line is the vast majority of Muslims do not agree with the Radical Muslim agenda, but they don't disagree either.

And that is the problem. They allow the radicals to do the damage, while they sit back quietly and have no issue with the carnage the radicals produce. They benefit from the radical Muslim agenda, so why oppose it?

 

[rmmpe]

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There are only 2 types of Muslims:
Terrorists and Enablers.
Each is as bad as the other.

I was introduced to Islam and the Quoran long before 911. After studying it a bit, I rejected it as evil.

Example:
Quoran, Sura (9:5) - So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.

Sounds like they want us as friends, right.

Get off the sympathy kick for Muslims. The Quoran belongs right next to the old Sears-Roebuck catalogs in the outhouses.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Lots of Muslims where I work. This topic of radical vs normal has come up before. The bottom line is the vast majority of Muslims do not agree with the Radical Muslim agenda, but they don't disagree either.

Spot on Mark. The Koran specifically states and condones any and all methods to bring about "Submission", (the definition of the name: Islam), the radicals are now using. This has been practiced since the 600s very effectively in most of the Middle East. Most Muslins accept it, some are just apathetic, (as with all philosophies) but most accept the inevitability of world wide "Submission" or they are not Muslims. 'Moderate' Muslims must 'modernize' from within, (as the Christians did at the time of Luthur n' Gutenberg), and the Muslims have done in a regional area in Turkey, or the clash of civilization with oil money and the aid of modern weapons n' communications technology will bring about the very bloody end of the Religion of Peace as we know it, or people like me will be pushing up daisies and they rest of you will be on yer knees five times a day facing Mecca. It is real simple to understand with a little research that the politically correct MSM does not help at all with, nor do public sshools, so ya need to do it on yer own. NOT HARD TO DO, as there are many sources to obtain and cross check the information.

And that is the problem. They allow the radicals to do the damage, while they sit back quietly and have no issue with the carnage the radicals produce. They benefit from the radical Muslim agenda, so why oppose it?

They don't reject Islamo Facists Mark, 'cause they also know that George Bush n' Tony Blair are the only world leaders to give Islam a decent chance to come to terms with the modern world, as opposed to keeping the Muslims under the rule of a friendly Dictator or Monarch. It is a radical experiment we are now in, and the worlds Liberals also clearly want it to fail as well. It will be an uphill battle, if we fail the options from that point are very much bloodier. Respectfully, JR

 

[waterinthefuel]

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I really think 'ol JB needs to get his head out of that same toilet we are flushing the Koran down and read these quotes from the Koran. As he would say, these have spirit!!

Peaceful religion? My arse pipe.





"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Men are tempted [in this life] by the lure of women...far better is the return of God. Say: 'Shall I tell you of better things than these, with which the righteous shall be rewarded by their Lord? Theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever: wives of perfect chastity..." (Surah 3:14, 15)

"The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19)

"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)

"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)

"To those that declare: 'God has commanded us to believe no apostle unless he brings down fire to consume an offering,' say: 'Other apostles before me [Muhammad] have come to you with veritable signs and worked the miracle you asked for...If they reject you [Muhammad], other apostles have been rejected before you..." (Surah 3:183-)

"If you wish to replace a wife with another, do not take from her the dowry you have given her..." (Surah 4:20)

"Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-)

"Believers, do not approach your prayers when you are drunk, but wait till you can grasp the meaning of your words..." (Surah 4:43)

"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)

"Try as you may, you cannot treat all your wives impartially." (Surah 4:126-)

"The Jews and Christians say: 'We are the children of God and His loved ones.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?" (Surah 5:18)

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"The God will say: 'Jesus, son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind 'Worship me and my mother as gods besides God?' 'Glory to You, 'he will answer, 'how could I ever say that to which I have no right?" (Surah 5:114-)

"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly retaliate by breaking off your treaty with them." (Surah 8:51-)

"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

"It ill becomes the idolaters [non-Muslims] to visit the mosques of God..." (Surah 9:17)

"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

"It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)

"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Yes Water, I'm surprized at JB's position as well. He is very sharp and usually well informed and maybe he is playing his self imposed role of a moderator to 'balence' our informed opinions that cornclude Islam is a major threat all of us non believers face. Thanks for this cite, very well organized, (I printed it for future reference)!!!! JR

 

[QC]

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The bottom line is the vast majority of Muslims do not agree with the Radical Muslim agenda, but they don't disagree either.

Yes, this is the root of the problem, and frankly the "hate" in this "hate crime" of a thread emanates from that . . . I don't like blanket condemnations and I understand why JB feels the way he does and I almost feel the same. However, the solution to the radical Islam "problem" lies within Islam itself. "They" need to fix it. Period. "We" (non-Muslims) cannot.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Yes, this is the root of the problem, and frankly the "hate" in this "hate crime" of a thread emanates from that . . . I don't like blanket condemnations and I understand why JB feels the way he does and I almost feel the same. However, the solution to the radical Islam "problem" lies within Islam itself. "They" need to fix it. Period. "We" (non-Muslims) cannot.

Hmmmmmm QC. Ya think this thread is a "hate" thread eh? Please point out anything I've stated here that is less then factual.

Is the knowledge of history a "hate crime"? Is stating history or the plain language of the Koran a hatefull thing to do? Do you really want all Americans to think Islam is a "Religion of Peace" where ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE EXISTS TO SUPPORT SUCH AN IRRATIONAL CORNCLUSION? If I'm wrong please show me where. Respectfully JR

 

[RubberFrog]

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I am so glad that in my simple little corner of the world I am free to call a spade a spade, and not try to play to everybody's sensibilities.

 

[QC]

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Those "hate" comments were both in quotes as it was not my intention to use those words myself . . . What that poorly worded deal meant was: The fact that Muslims themselves cannot get their own act together as far as condemning their own evil element causes the strong reactions that we see here. Carry on . . .

 

[OldMercsRule]

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I am so glad that in my simple little corner of the world I am free to call a spade a spade, and not try to play to everybody's sensibilities.

Ya know Rubber, maybe JB was pickin' on yer spot on humor, n' maybe QC thinks a lil' RubberFrog humor is "hatefull".

Sometimes any of us can fall prey to the politically correct: "don't judge anyone or anything" Liberal suicidal mentality, as we need to: "understand them". Along that route of thought: I have attempted to "understand" them meself and me thinks I do, and I can tell you n' the other Cornservatives likely do too!!!

Spades are in fact SPADES, if they have a written spade philosophy, practice said philosophy fer 1000 years or so. Hard to see it any other way if ya have at least one functional brain cell. Great urinal sticker n' tp pics RUBBER!!!!!!! Yer da man!!! JR

 

[Kalifornyakid]

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Sometimes any of us can fall prey to the politically correct: "don't judge anyone or anything" Liberal suicidal mentality, as we need to: "understand them".

I believe that's the crux of the problem. You see, most things the liberals want you to "understand" are things that are not good or wholesome for society in general, and are rejected at face value. Therefore, if you convince people there is no right and wrong, no morality, shades of grey for everything, everythings relative, etc. etc. people will no longer question attacks on traditional morality and values. People will accept immoral or bad behaviour, and that is the ultimate goal.
Just look at our society today. Everything is backwards. Discipling kids is a crime, killing babies is legal, you can do more time in jail for mistreating animals than for killing another human, saying homosexuality is immoral is a hate crime, hard-work is taxed so freeloaders can sit on the front porch drinking colt 45 all day, in many states you have to turn your back on an assailant and run before you can defend yourself, etc. etc. etc. Laws to protect criminals and to prosecute victims. Need I go on?

 

[rmmpe]

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Kalkid,
You make too much sense and I believe, like you, the world I grew up in and loved is gone. Much to the loss of everyone.

It's not just a single issue. It's the entire morality (or lack thereof) of today.

And I am angry and sad for the loss.

 

[Kalifornyakid]

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Thanks RMMPE,
It's good to see someone agree's with me!

 

[Plainsman]

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More than one person agrees with you

 

[rmmpe]

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I believe I've mentioned this before but I'll do so again.
During my 5 years of living in Saudi Arabia, I had opportunities to visit a number of other "Muslim" countries (Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Yemen, UAE, etc.).

After being exposed to Islam on a concentrated basis, it is my experience that "Islam" is a retarding factor on common sense and has an extremely negative influence on the world today. In short, Muslims are "Throwbacks" and practice inflexible behavior (beheadings, amputation of limbs, stoning, etc.).

Consequently, my feelings of Islam are extremely unfavorable and often cause me to cut to the basics without consideration of others' personal beliefs or sensitivities.

But, that's just me.

Should anyone lean toward giving the benefit of the doubt, read what's been provided in this thread. Unless you are a complete Dolt, it will give cause to rethink your platform.