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POINTER94

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Gentlemen,<br /><br />She was dismissed for aledgedly leaking, the press has added the overseas prison spin. What she leaked was not disclosed. But again how is having undisclosed interrogation facilities in other countries illegal? What is going on at facility 51 in the Nevada desert? (Of Course Torture, and probably puppies.) Please help me understand why the press has any need to know anything about military operations during wartime? What right does an underling have in releasing any information deemed classified? She has no right to release anything or political stripe would proclude anyone having any secrets and that is not the nature of security.<br /><br />I would have to assume that all traitors are really just patriots getting a bad rap. Giving nuclear secrets is only fair as it creates a balance of power. And you know how unfair that every country not having our technology is. Should we release locations of safe houses. It isn't fair that we keep secrets. Interesting how the leaks during the Clinton administration were to China and other foreign powers and the leaks now are to the press. <br /><br />David, when did our enemy ever treat our prisoners with dignity. Televising their plea's, deheading them and distributing their execution, dragging their bodies threw the streets and setting them on fire. "IF" our soldiers were tortured? When weren't they? Remember Vietnam, Korea, Somolia, Iran, Iraq? IF?????????? When haven't our troops been tortured would be a better question? When exactly has an enemy of the USA not tortured our troops? We don't expect our troops to be treated with dignity, we expect them to be tortured.. Because they always are.<br /><br />There is that smell again.
 

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AHHHH..... Alledged Leaking!<br />To the rest of you ...<br />Well, I feel better now!<br />Especially since it is only alleged!<br />Quit using the crushing grip of logic! <br />It hurts & burns!<br />The gubmint under W & the dark lord, READ: Cheney<br />Got ya covered.....<br />What a long day!<br />I hope I did my paart ..<br />For the alleged non-existant stuff!<br />YEAH ME!<br />I get to do it tomorrow, too! ;) :) :) :) ...JK
 

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How brainwashed and out of reality are some people ? The protection of the constitution applies to LEGAL American citizens. The protection of the Geneva convention applies to SOLDIERS OF RECOGNIZED ARMIES ! The worthless swine that murder women and children and behead people on a regular basis are not protected by or even worth the consideration of either the Constitution or the Geneva convention.<br />I don't give a rats arse about the "rights" of swine that murder our troops by day and hide among women and children by night. I hope we have many "secret" prisons.
 

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And it amazes me that when a spy's identity is leaked, and her life is endangered, there is so little cooperation...
What spy are you referring to? Valerie Plame? Two years and tens of thousands of taxpayer $$ and Mr. Fitzgerald has yet to offer any substantiation of this charge. <br /><br />Oh, I'm sorry, I always forget with you Liberals, it's never about the nature of evidence, it's always the seriousness of the charge.<br /><br />Pointer, you nailed it... Moral Relativism on display.
 

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Picture this, you are a covert undercover spy, and the best way to secure your position is to send your husband on a little vaction into one of the hottest spots in the world to drink tea with some terrorists, and then have him write a hit piece in the national paper of record contridicting his own report, and then have your photo placed on the cover of Vanity Faire. I didn't attend spy school but exactly how did this help her safety? I bet this is a standard procedure in maintaining covert status in any countries secret service. Covert, NOT. Employee, YEP. Good employee, NOT.<br />______________________________________________________________<br /><br /><br />Quote HM:<br /><br />It hurts and it burns.<br /><br /><br />I had that problem once but a shot and a weeks worth of pills cleared it right up.<br /><br />___________________________________________________________________<br />I hope it is as nice a day by all of you as by me. I might be tan by Monday. Enjoy your weekend. I'm going to - starting now...... ;)
 

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Originally posted by waterone1:<br /> How brainwashed and out of reality are some people ? The protection of the constitution applies to LEGAL American citizens. ...
Well, kind of not. The protections apply to everyone, everywhere. They are only recognized in the United States. Ok, they used to be recognized and protected in the US. (As Franklin said, ”the light of liberty never shines as brightly as it does when first lit.”)<br /><br />Remember, the US Constitution does not create any rights, it only recognizes rights that already exist with everyone, everywhere. The US gov’t is obligated to recognize and protect those rights (and freedoms) for anyone and everyone, wherever it goes. Ref the courts and tribunals the US military set up in Europe after WWII.<br /><br />Pointer: That should answer what you were asking about how prisons created by the US outside the US could be illegal.
 

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Pointer,<br /><br />You got the time-line all wrong! Joe Wilson went to Niger, told the administration there was not proof of a "yellow cake" sale or attempted sale to Iraq. When the administration continued to repeat the "yellow cake" lie, Wilson wrote an op-ed to the NY Times. In a pattern of retalliation that has become only too apparant with this administration, they outed Wilson's wife. It was then, and only then, after "Valarie Plame" became a household name, did Mr and Mrs Wilson do the Vanity Fair piece and pose for the picture! So get your fact straight Pointer! :)
 

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BTW Pointer,<br /> <br />About a month ago the proper documentation was released from the CIA stating that Valarie Plame was in fact COVERT! Another lie put out by the righties that you apparently didn't get the memo Pointer. :p <br /><br />For the record Valarie Plame was in Iran posing as a representative of an energy company, as recent as three years ago. That energy company (can't remember the name) was a CIA dummy corporation that has been in business for several years. Now that Plame's identity has been reveled, anyone that has ever worked for this company or anyone that has had any outside dealing with this company, has their lives in danger, thanks to Bush's leak.<br /><br />Now I ask what has the potential for more lives to be at risk, the prison leak or the Valarie Plame leak? :rolleyes:
 

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It's always the same crowd of discontents who try to overwhelm with a torrent of crap and who trumpet the same, tired propaganda, and can't admit that they just can't stand the idea that their socialist party is not in charge.<br /><br />Screw this.
 

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maybe dogsdad can actually counter the covert energy company story the left is spewing with actual truth instead of name calling.<br /> I read the same story written by both tenet and goss and given to the inspector general.<br /> however they may have lied.<br /> I belive the dummy company turned out to be an office in britain.<br /> but I would have to go read and as I am now a right wing backer its against our creed.
 

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People who leak things should be fired and imprisoned it does cost lives, they will have agreed not to do it when joining. There are ways of objecting internally if you think something is illegal. There is no excuse, do your job or leave with sealed lips!
 

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dogsdad wrote,<br /><br /><br />"It's always the same crowd of discontents who try to overwhelm with a torrent of crap and who trumpet the same, tired propaganda,"<br /><br />Okay dogsdad, what is crap and what is propaganda?<br />Tell me exactly what I said that was crap or propaganda? I'll tell you everything I wrote is the truth and can be backed up. If you'd like me to embarrass you again and show everyone on these pages just how wrong you and your side is, I'd be happy, just give me the word. :p <br /><br />dogsdad, when I read a post like your last one, it tells me you've run out of ammo and you've just shot your last load. Thanks I wear it as a badge of honor. :D :p
 

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rodbolt wrote,<br /><br />"but I would have to go read and as I am now a right wing backer its against our creed."<br /><br /> :D :D No rodbolt who has to read when you have Rash Lipoff, Sean Insanity and Bill O'liely telling you the truth? ;) :cool:
 

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Wow I sure cant wait till the next election. Maybe a demacrate,or socialist,or is communist. Whatever they call themselves will win. Then will all be safe from lieing cheating stealing and much safer, Your know they way we were when clinton was pres. Him and Al invented the internet you know, and we were all rich then. Never did they lie never and sure lets go ahead and give our rights to poeple who are not Americian citizens good one..I would like to point out that the Geneva Convention that everyone is so fond of specifically states that anyone caught without a reconized uniform on is to be considered a spy a shot on sight. That was done to the germans that had wore our uniforms and tried to scew us up during market garden, guess what we did to them? Lined them up and executed them. So maybe instead of putting these waist of flesh in jail we should shoot them upon capture then would that be better? <br /><br />Just answer this Why are people so willing to just give our enemys the very rights that thousands upon thousands of our Granfathers, Fathers. and Sons have died to give to us and protect them once achieved. What do you think of when you look up at the flag. I think of them, I think of the Wall, I think of brothers in arms that Ive lost. I have to stop myself from crying sometimes just cause I look at it. What do you think of? Or is it just another piece of cloth to you?
 

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solid<br /> can ya ID our "enemy" words dont count as words can be applied to anything.<br /> just ID the enemy and maybe toss in the chain of command.<br /><br /> Jimonica<br /> yep takes all the eye pain out iof it.<br /> glad there are folks like them to keep the rest of the world informed of the truth.<br /> solid<br /> ya seem to have a good grasp on the military. maybe we met sometime. what years and branch did ya serve in ?
 

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jmonica,<br /><br />""Joe Wilson went to Niger, told the administration there was not proof of a "yellow cake" sale or attempted sale to Iraq. When the administration continued to repeat the "yellow cake" lie, Wilson wrote an op-ed to the NY Times.""<br /><br />False.................<br /><br /> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html <br /><br />This sums it up. Wilson by his own words is a liar. (And a liar and a liar, and a liar many times over.)<br /><br />According to the former Niger mining minister, Wilson told his CIA contacts, Iraq tried to buy 400 tons of uranium in 1998. <br /><br />He also claimed his wife had nothing to do with getting him the assignment. Another lie.<br /><br />He claimed in his statement to the Washington Post to have known about information that wasn't available until 9 months after the drafting of his report. Another lie.<br /><br />Here is his quote: <br /><br />"Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson wrote in a memoir published this year. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."
 

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Pointer, it's a waste of oxygen. The facts are relative as they percieve it.<br /><br />Still nobody answers... why has Fitzgerald not got anybody in jail if the "facts" are as black and white as they all proclaim.
 

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jmonica, Here is some food for thought.<br /><br />Joe Wilson's Top Ten Worst Inaccuracies And Misstatements -- (accurately described as lies)<br /><br /><br />1.) Wilson Insisted That The Vice President’s Office Sent Him To Niger:<br /><br />Wilson Said He Traveled To Niger At CIA Request To Help Provide Response To Vice President’s Office. “In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President **** Cheney’s office had questions about a particular intelligence report. … The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president’s office.” (Joseph C. Wilson, Op-Ed, “What I Didn’t Find In Africa,” The New York Times, 7/6/03)<br /><br />Joe Wilson: “[W]hat They Did, What The Office Of The Vice President Did, And, In Fact, I Believe Now From Mr. Libby’s Statement, It Was Probably The Vice President Himself ...” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 8/3/03)<br />Vice President Cheney: “I Don’t Know Joe Wilson. I’ve Never Met Joe Wilson. … And Joe Wilson - I Don’t [Know] Who Sent Joe Wilson. He Never Submitted A Report That I Ever Saw When He Came Back.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 9/14/03)<br /><br />CIA Director George Tenet: “In An Effort To Inquire About Certain Reports Involving Niger, CIA’s Counter-Proliferation Experts, On Their Own Initiative, Asked An Individual With Ties To The Region To Make A Visit To See What He Could Learn.” (Central Intelligence Agency, “Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence,” Press Release, 7/11/03)<br /><br />2.) Wilson Claimed The Vice President And Other Senior White House Officials Were Briefed On His Niger Report:<br /><br />“[Wilson] Believed That [His Report] Would Have Been Distributed To The White House And That The Vice President Received A Direct Response To His Question About The Possible Uranium Deal.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)<br /><br />The Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Reported That The Vice President Was Not Briefed On Wilson’s Report. “Conclusion 14. The Central Intelligence Agency should have told the Vice President and other senior policymakers that it had sent someone to Niger to look into the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal and it should have briefed the Vice President on the former ambassador’s findings.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)<br /><br />CIA Director George Tenet: “Because This Report, In Our View, Did Not Resolve Whether Iraq Was Or Was Not Seeking Uranium From Abroad, It Was Given A Normal And Wide Distribution, But We Did Not Brief It To The President, Vice-President Or Other Senior Administration Officials.” (Central Intelligence Agency, “Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence,” Press Release, 7/11/03)<br /><br />3.) Wilson Has Claimed His Niger Report Was Conclusive And Significant<br /><br />Wilson Claims His Trip Proved There Was Nothing To The Uranium “Allegations.” “I knew that [Dr. Rice] had fundamentally misstated the facts. In fact, she had lied about it. I had gone out and I had undertaken this study. I had come back and said that this was not feasible. … This government knew that there was nothing to these allegations.” (NBC’s, “Meet The Press,” 5/2/04)<br /><br />Officials Said Evidence In Wilson’s Niger Report Was “Thin” And His “Homework Was Shoddy.” (Michael Duffy, “Leaking With A Vengeance,” Time, 10/13/03) <br /><br />Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Unanimous Report: “Conclusion 13. The Report On The Former Ambassador’s Trip To Niger, Disseminated In March 2002, Did Not Change Any Analysts’ Assessments Of The Iraq-Niger Uranium Deal.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)<br />“For Most Analysts, The Information In The Report Lent More Credibility To The Original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Report On The Uranium Deal, But State Department Bureau Of Intelligence And Research (INR) Analysts Believed That The Report Supported Their Assessments That Niger Was Unlikely To Be Willing Or Able To Sell Uranium.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)<br />CIA Said Wilson’s Findings Did Not Resolve The Issue. “Because [Wilson’s] report, in our view, did not resolve whether Iraq was or was not seeking uranium from abroad, it was given a normal and wide distribution, but we did not brief it to the president, vice president or other senior administration officials. We also had to consider that the former Nigerien officials knew that what they were saying would reach the U.S. government and that this might have influenced what they said.” (Central Intelligence Agency, “Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence,” Press Release 7/11/03) <br /><br />The Butler Report Claimed That The President’s State Of the Union Statement On Uranium From Africa, “Was Well-Founded.” “We conclude that, on the basis of the intelligence assessments at the time, covering both Niger and the Democratic Republic of Congo, the statements on Iraqi attempts to buy uranium from Africa in the Government’s dossier, and by the Prime Minister in the House of Commons, were well-founded. By extension, we conclude also that the statement in President Bush’s State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that: ‘The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.’ was well-founded.” (The Rt. Hon. The Lord Butler Of Brockwell, “Review Of Intelligence, On Weapons Of Mass Destruction,” 7/14/04)<br /><br />4.) Wilson Denied His Wife Suggested He Travel To Niger In 2002:<br /><br />Wilson Claimed His Wife Did Not Suggest He Travel To Niger To Investigate Reports Of Uranium Deal; Instead, Wilson Claims It Came Out Of Meeting With CIA. CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “Among other things, you had always said, always maintained, still maintain your wife, Valerie Plame, a CIA officer, had nothing to do with the decision to send to you Niger to inspect reports that uranium might be sold from Niger to Iraq. … Did Valerie Plame, your wife, come up with the idea to send you to Niger?” Joe Wilson: “No. My wife served as a conduit, as I put in my book. When her supervisors asked her to contact me for the purposes of coming into the CIA to discuss all the issues surrounding this allegation of Niger selling uranium to Iraq.” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 7/18/04)<br /><br />But Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Received Not Only Testimony But Actual Documentation Indicating Wilson’s Wife Proposed Him For Trip. “Some CPD, [CIA Counterproliferation Division] officials could not recall how the office decided to contact the former ambassador, however, interviews and documents provided to the Committee indicate that his wife, a CPD employee, suggested his name for the trip. The CPD reports officer told Committee staff that the former ambassador’s wife ‘offered up his name’ and a memorandum to the Deputy Chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from the former ambassador’s wife says, ‘my husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.’” (Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq,” U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)<br />5.) Wilson Has Claimed His 1999 Trip To Niger Was Not Suggested By His Wife:<br /><br />Wilson Claims CIA Thought To Ask Him To Make Trip Because He Had Previously Made Trip For Them In 1999, Not Because Of His Wife’s Suggestion. CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “Who first raised your name, then, based on what you know? Who came up with the idea to send you there?” Joe Wilson: “The CIA knew my name from a trip, and it’s in the report, that I had taken in 1999 related to uranium activities but not related to Iraq. I had served for 23 years in government including as Bill Clinton’s Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council. I had done a lot of work with the Niger government during a period punctuated by a military coup and a subsequent assassination of a president. So I knew all the people there.” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 7/18/04)<br /><br />In Fact, His Wife Suggested Him For 1999 Trip, As Well. “The former ambassador had traveled previously to Niger on the CIA’s behalf … The former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wife mentioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the near future and might be willing to use his contacts in the region …” (Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq,” U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)<br /><br />6.) Wilson Claimed He Was A Victim Of A Partisan Smear Campaign<br /><br />Joe Wilson: “Well, I Don’t Know. Obviously, There’s Been This Orchestrated Campaign, This Smear Campaign. I Happen To Think That It’s Because The RNC, The Republican National Committee’s Been Involved In This In A Big Way …” CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “But They Weren’t Involved In The Senate Intelligence Committee Report.” Wilson: “No, They Weren’t.” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 7/18/04)<br /><br />Senate Intelligence Committee Unanimously Concluded That Wilson’s Report “Lent More Credibility” For Most Analysts “To The Original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Reports.” “Conclusion 13. The report on the former ambassador’s trip to Niger, disseminated in March 2002, did not change any analysts’ assessments of the Iraq-Niger uranium deal. For most analysts, the information in the report lent more credibility to the original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reports on the uranium deal, but the State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) analysts believed that the report supported their assessment that Niger was unlikely to be willing or able to sell uranium to Iraq.” (Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq,” U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)<br /><br />Members Of The Senate Select Committee On Intelligence That Wrote The Unanimous “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq”:<br /><br />Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)<br /><br />Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI)<br /><br />Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)<br /><br />Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR)<br /><br />Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL)<br /><br />Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN)<br /><br />Sen. John Edwards (D-NC)<br /><br />Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)<br /><br />Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS)<br /><br />Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT)<br /><br />Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH)<br /><br />Sen. Christopher Bond (R-MO)<br /><br />Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS)<br /><br />Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME)<br /><br />Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE)<br /><br />Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)<br /><br />Sen. John Warner (R-VA)<br /><br />(Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq,” U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)<br /><br />7.) A Month Before The Bob Novak And Matthew Cooper Articles Ever Came Out, Wilson Told The Washington Post That Previous Intelligence Reports About Niger Were Based On Forged Documents:<br /><br />In June Of 2003, Wilson Told The Washington Post “The Niger Intelligence Was Based On Documents That Had Clearly Been Forged Because ‘The Dates Were Wrong And The Names Were Wrong.’” (Susan Schmidt, “Plame’s Input Is Cited On Niger Mission,” The Washington Post, 7/10/04)<br /><br />However, “The [Senate Select Committee On Intelligence] Report … Said Wilson Provided Misleading Information To The Washington Post Last June [12th, 2003].” (Susan Schmidt, “Plame’s Input Is Cited On Niger Mission,” The Washington Post, 7/10/04)<br /><br />Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Unanimous Report: “The Former Ambassador Said That He May Have ‘Misspoken’ To The Reporter When He Said He Concluded The Documents Were ‘Forged.’” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)<br />8.) Wilson Claimed His Book Would Enrich Debate: <br /><br />NBC’s Katie Couric: “What Do You Hope The Whole Point Of This Book Will Be? Joe Wilson: “Well, I - I Hope, One, It Will Tell - It Tries To Tell An Interesting Story. Two, I Hope That It Enriches The Debate In A Year In Which We Are All Called Upon As Americans To Elect Our Leaders. And Three, … That [It] Says That This Is A Great Democracy That Is Worthy Of Our Taking Our Responsibilities As Stewards Seriously.” (NBC’s “Today Show,” 5/3/04)<br /><br />Wilson Admits In His Book That He Had Been Involved In “A Little Literary Flair” When Talking To Reporters. “[Wilson] wrote in his book, he told Committee staff that his assertion may have involved ‘a little literary flair.’” (Matthew Continetti, “‘A Little Literary Flair’” The Weekly Standard, 7/26/04)<br /><br />Wilson’s Book The Politics Of Truth: Inside The Lies That Put The White House On Trial And Betrayed My Wife’s CIA Identity Has Been Panned In Numerous Reviews For Its Inaccuracies:<br /><br />“On Page One Of Chapter One, He Quotes NBC Talk Show Host Chris Matthews, Who Told Him That, After Mr. Wilson Chose To Go Public: ‘Wilson’s Wife Is Fair Game.’ Later, He Bases His List Of Suspect Leakers On Conversations With Members Of The News Media And A ‘Source Close To The House Judiciary Committee.’” (Eli Lake, Op-Ed, “Don’t Quit Your Day Job, Mr. Wilson,” New York Post, 5/4/04) <br /><br />“For Example, When Asked How He ‘Knew’ That The Intelligence Community Had Rejected The Possibility Of A Niger-Iraq Uranium Deal, As He Wrote In His Book, He Told [Senate Intelligence] Committee Staff That His Assertion May Have Involved ‘A Little Literary Flair.’” (Matthew Continetti, “‘A Little Literary Flair,’” The Weekly Standard, 7/26/04) <br /><br />The Boston Globe: “In Essence, Much Of Wilson’s Book Is An Attempt To Portray The Bush Administration As A Ministry Of Fear Whose Mission In Pursuing War In Iraq Required It To Proclaim A Lie As Truth.” (Michael D. Langan, Op-Ed, “‘Truth’ Makes Much Of Bush Controversy,” The Boston Globe, 5/4/04) <br /><br />Newsweek’s Evan Thomas Wrote In The Washington Post: “[W]ilson’s Claims And Conclusions Are Either Long Hashed Over Or Based On What The Intelligence Business Describes As ‘Rumint,’ Or Rumor Intelligence.” (Evan Thomas, Op-Ed, “Indecent Exposure,” The Washington Post, 5/16/04)<br />9.) Wilson Claimed The CIA Provided Him With Information Related To The Iraq-Niger Uranium Transaction: <br /><br />“The Former Ambassador Noted That His CIA Contacts Told Him There Were Documents Pertaining To The Alleged Iraq-Niger Uranium Transaction And That The Source Of The Information Was The [Redacted] Intelligence Service.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)<br /><br />However, “The DO [Director Of Operations At The CIA] Reports Officer Told Committee Staff That He Did Not Provide The Former Ambassador With Any Information About The Source Or Details …” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)<br />10.) Wilson Claimed He Is A Non-Partisan “Centrist”:<br />Recently, Joe Wilson Refused To Admit He Is A Registered Democrat. NBC’s Jamie Gangel: “You are a Democrat?” Joe Wilson: “I exercise my rights as a citizen of this country to participate in the selection of my leaders and I am proud to do so. I did so in the election in 2000 by contributing not just to Al Gore's campaign, but also to the Bush-Cheney campaign.” (NBC’s “Today Show,” 7/14/05)<br /><br />“[Wilson] Insist He Remained A Centrist At Heart.” (Scott Shane, “Private Spy And Public Spouse Live At Center Of Leak Case,” The New York Times, 7/5/05)<br /><br />Joe Wilson Is A Registered Democrat. (District Of Columbia Voter Registrations, Accessed 7/14/05)<br /><br />Joseph Wilson Has Donated Over $8,000 To Democrats Including $2,000 To John Kerry For President In 2003, $1,000 To Hillary Clinton’s (D-NY) HILLPAC In 2002 And $3,000 To Al Gore In 1999. (The Center For Responsive Politics Website, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 7/12/05) <br /><br />Wilson Endorsed John Kerry For President In October 2003 And Advised The Kerry Campaign. (David Tirrell-Wysocki, “Former Ambassador Wilson Endorses Kerry In Presidential Race,” The Associated Press, 10/23/03) <br /><br />“[Wilson] Admits ‘It Will Be A Cold Day In Hell Before I Vote For A Republican, Even For Dog Catcher.’” (Scott Shane, “Private Spy And Public Spouse Live At Center Of Leak Case,” The New York Times, 7/5/05)<br /><br />From GOP.com
 

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Enemy,, Anyone pointing a weapon at any of our soldiers, Any muslim terrorist who wishes ill will on america, Or for that matter anyone that trys to harm any american. So if there is no clear chain of comand and no true military structure what do we do? Nothing, say gosh please stop. Or should we send the military in then pull them out when it doesnt go just right. <br />What do you suggest we do just stop dont retaliate. Turn the other cheek.<br /><br /><br />I doubt we met Rodbolt I am a former Marine. The enemy was the guy I saw before he saw me I didnt look for a uniform I looked for a gun when I saw it I checked my body alignment then lined up my sight and timming mt heart beat during my respatory pause I pulled the trigger and put a bullet through his head or chest. When you can tell me you have done that then well talk more on what an enemy is.
 

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Re: leaking classified information on the USA

Pointer wrote,<br />--------------------------------------------------<br />"Picture this, you are a covert undercover spy, and the best way to secure your position is to send your husband on a little vaction into one of the hottest spots in the world to drink tea with some terrorists, and then have him write a hit piece in the national paper of record contridicting his own report, and then have your photo placed on the cover of Vanity Faire. I didn't attend spy school but exactly how did this help her safety? I bet this is a standard procedure in maintaining covert status in any countries secret service. Covert, NOT. Employee, YEP. Good employee, NOT."<br />--------------------------------------------------<br /><br />In the words of your hero Ronald Reagan, "there you go again". :p You make all kinds of accusations in the contents of a freaking novel, in the hopes to camelflauge the fact that you stated the following;<br /><br />"Covert, NOT. Employee, YEP. Good employee, NOT."<br /><br />when Valarie Plame was in fact covert. You don't know what your talking about here Pointer. I pointed this out to you with no response. :confused: <br /><br />Secondly, you've made the inference that somehow Plame and Wilson outed themselves by going to Vanity Fair magazine. :confused: You convienently leave out the fact that her name was plastered all over the newspapers and mentioned nightly on the cable news programs long before they ever went to Vanity Fair. Pointer I'm sorry but either your a liar and don't care what the truth is or you have some kind of short term memory loss, which is it? :confused: I've pointed out your misrepresentation of this before to you. Apparently you forgot, because I believe you to be a man of honor and you wouldn't deliberately want to mislead your fellow iboaters.<br /><br />Now, I will check over the character assassination you did of Joe Wilson and if I misrepresented anything Joe Wilson said or did, I will be a man about it and admit and apologize for it right here. Later.
 
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