learning to troubleshoot & repair

dmarkvid2

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Does anyone know if there are online coarses in boat engine repair? I would like to be able to be alittle more confident when I take my boat out. I have a Mercruiser 5.7 Alpha1. I've never owned an I/O system, and I would like to be able to recognize abnormal sounds and malfuntions I might encounter on the water. I'm not a machanic, and I only have very basic knowlege on car engines. I know this forum has been very helpful, but it won't help me when I'm out on the water and the engine quits and I'm standing there scratching my head tring to figure out what I should do next.
 

KaGee

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Re: learning to troubleshoot & repair

Originally posted by Mark's Joy:<br /> I know this forum has been very helpful, but it won't help me when I'm out on the water and the engine quits and I'm standing there scratching my head tring to figure out what I should do next.
Call for a tow. Seriously.<br /><br />Not being a smart guy here, but I would say based upon my own personal experiences, usually when you break down on the water, you usually stay broke (literally and financially :eek: ).<br /><br />The best things you can do right now is buy towing insurance, have a working ship to shore radio, make sure your boat is ship shape as far as safety equipment is concerned, carry a tool box with some basic hand tools.<br /><br />Seasonal maintenance is the best prevention of on the water failures. You can compile that information and learn to do it here. To try and learn boat engine diagnostics and repair takes a lot of training and cannot be done overnight.
 

KnottyBuoyz

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Re: learning to troubleshoot & repair

Hi Mark<br /><br />These are the types of sites you'll likely find when you search the web. Not many go into detail on engine/outdrive maintenance. I haven't found any online courses specifically dealing with marine engines.<br /><br />This site leans more towards boating safety.<br /><br /> http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/course/safety/index.php <br /><br />This is a great site on a vast array of military engineering information. Not specifically marine related but a lot of info on general engine operation and diagnosis.<br /><br /> http://www.tpub.com/content/engine/ <br /><br />We were in your shoes 5 years ago. We made all the basic mistakes and learned along the way. Here's a list of things we did that might help you out, short of taking an engine course at your local community college (highly recommended).<br /><br />1. Get the correct engine/repair manual for your make and model of engine/outdrive. Even though some of the info might be generic it's going to be a good guide. If you can get a proper electrical schematic of your boats systems get it copied and laminated and keep it handy. Your engine make/model might have a diagnostic flow chart available. Like the electrical schematic, get it printed and laminated. We have ours stuck to the bulkhead in the engine compartment.<br /><br />2. Get a good tool kit together. We picked up a 200 piece kit in a nice plastic case at Walmart for under $100. Get yourself a good voltmeter, it'll be indespensible. Those magnetic pick up thingies you use when you drop a socket in the bilge are great. We have a couple.<br /><br />3. Don't be afraid to do all the routine maintenance yourself. Gapping plugs, changing oil, lubricating bearings, etc. your manual might have a maintenance routine for you to follow. Talk to other boaters with similar equipment. They'll in all likelyhood be a wellspring of useful information.<br /><br />4. Spares, spares and more spares. Well within reason. We carry filters, belts, hoses & clamps, impellers, spark plugs, fuses, relays, and a variety of hardware and fasteners (washers, bolts, nuts, wire, cotter pins etc.). Oh, don't forget the duct tape!<br /><br />First thing to remember is "Don't Panic". We have a routine if we encounter problems. First and foremost we secure the boat, tying up or dropping the anchor where it's safe to do so. Shut down all the electrics by turning off everything and the battery switch. This will preserve power until it's needed. Then a bilge water level check. If it's an engine failure I'll wait 5-10 mins to let things cool down then I'll refer to the diagnostic flow chart mentioned in #1 above and go from there. As your experience with this boat grows you'll begin to understand its character and know what it is trying to tell you and you can usually go right to the problem.<br /><br />You're going to hear lots of strange noises on your boat. Get used to them because they'll always be there! The ones you really have to worry about are the ones that start with "KABOOM" and "KERPLUNK" and "KERBANG". Short of that there isn't much you can't handle with a little experience. When all else fails there are the marine support agencies like the Coast Guard, your local marinas and commercial towing, etc.<br /><br />Happy boating.<br /><br />Rick
 

mkast

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Re: learning to troubleshoot & repair

You might try looking around your area for the local tech college. Most offer night courses like "Understanding your auto". These courses cover basic preventative maintenance for your car. You can apply what you learn to the maintenance on your boat. Changing oil or filters are the same.
 

Capt Ken

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Go buy a manual first and stick it beside the toilet. Then whenever you feel the urge, start at chapter one and work your way thru the book. That way you will have an understanding of how things work. Just remember, when your legs go numb, its time to get up.
 

ziggy

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don't know of any online corses. <br />but the power squadron has a engine maint. corse. ya won't become a marine tech from the class. but it does give a idea what's involved with maine engines in mind.
 

Bondo

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Re: learning to troubleshoot & repair

Originally posted by Capt Ken:<br /> Go buy a manual first and stick it beside the toilet. Then whenever you feel the urge, start at chapter one and work your way thru the book. That way you will have an understanding of how things work. <br />Just remember, when your legs go numb, its time to get up.
Isn't that the Library in Everybodies House,..???..... :D <br />I had to move the Sink,+ the Shower to make Room for the Manuals,+ Catalogs............ :D <br /><br />I can't argue with Any of the above posts,.......<br /><br />All of this advise will keep you Safe........ ;)
 

rodbolt

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I have been doing the marine and high performance engine gig longer than I really care to think.<br /> while changing oil is a good thing its not really maint, I have never seen a failure related to not changing the oil. one or two by running out but never from oil with a few hundred hours on it.<br /> modern electronics and EFI systems has made incredible strides in engine reliability.<br /> I would say 80% of all my works could have been prevented with 8 hours a year of maint.<br /> between contaminated fuel and cooling system failures, all of which had the maint schedule been followed would not have occured, that makes up the bulk of my work.<br /> salt water and some high mineral content water shorthens raw water cooled castings life span to 3-4 years, after that your begging for an expensive failure.<br /> same as the water pump, replace it once a year while removing the drive to inspect that aspect is routine, its only gets difficult when it has to be done.<br /> so while your reading on those cold winter nights pay strict attention to the maint schedules, note they are by hours OR calandar cycles, then go to the pertanant section and read why they want it to be done.<br /> Ill give ya ONE examble from real life on a 1983 3.0 aplha 1.<br /> man took it out, half winterized it and changed the drive and engine oils, no drive removal was done, it sat all winter of 04/05. at the april launch everthing was hunky dory, man she ran great. for about 1 hour.<br /> then the ujoints went to pieces. took out the upper case at the retainer and took out the transome shield.<br /> I was able to have a buddy weld the lip back on and salvage the shield for only 350 dollars, the drive set the guy back 1700. the alstenator and starter and trim motor all took a salt bath and failed as well.<br /> point is had routine monthly inspections, periodic replacement of rubber parts and a yearly inspection at layup could have kept the cost in the 350 dollar range.<br />you will find folks that say they get 10 years out of various parts, others pay dearly in 3. after 3 its roll the dice and hope for 7's.<br /> do the maint at the prescribed intravels, buy towing insurance as well as collision insurance and enjoy boating.
 

Doug Durako

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All good advice, as usual.<br /><br />With this forum, and the Merc shop manuals, you can do anything.<br /><br />Only thing I would add is you need about 20 hours in the boat to get used to all the sounds it is supposed to make and how it feels when it is running right.<br /><br />Oh, make sure you put the plug in first.<br /><br />Happy boating.
 

thegodown

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Re: learning to troubleshoot & repair

I'd also make it a point to browse this forum once a week for an hour or two. There is lots of useful information that passes through here on a daily basis that will help you prevent making major mistakes along the way.
 

tashasdaddy

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i agree totally, even thou i'm out of i/o's. i still read periodically. learn from others mistakes, and prevent them. it'll save you a $ or 1,000.
 

dmarkvid2

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Re: learning to troubleshoot & repair

Well, thank you all, for all your imput. All the threads I have read here make alot of sence, and great advice. I am the type to keep my boat in ship shape. From the engine, to the shine on the cleats. I did buy a manual,( which is in the john now ) and downloaded alot of information off the webs. DDboater is right, I just have to run the boat, and learn all her sounds and feel. Mabey I'm a little worried too, because of reading everyone elses problems here at this site, thinking everything on these threads that goes wrong, is going to happen to me. Someone once told me, "Don't be afraid to try to fix anything, if you can't, there is always someone out there who can"<br /> Thanks again, Mark
 

rodbolt

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Mark<br /> I tell all that advice:).<br /> someone will ask if they could fix it and I reply most likly but I am also confident that,with copious amounts of cash, nothing they can break I cannot fix.<br /> but usually if you read and understand the procedure and dont get so awed by that lump of stuff under the hood that you forget its all just subsystems its easy.<br /> the hardest part is trying to decide where to start, that only comes from understanding the basics.
 

whywhyzed

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Re: learning to troubleshoot & repair

I kicker motor and a bracket might be a good investment. On my lake, there's no towing. On a sunny weekend you would eventually get help, but through the week i don't usually see anyone.
 

lilmandavis

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Re: learning to troubleshoot & repair

sometimes i have to have my woman help me up- my legs get so numb!! then i need a crutch to walk that first 5 mins!!
 
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