Re: Lieberman: U.S. should weigh Iran attack
Plainsman States:
"An independent is sitting on the fence in my eyes"
Sorry my way of pursuing politics does not meet with yer approval: Eric. You and I live and work in different places. I've never lived in Nebraska so I would not presume to advise you how to pursue politics there.
As a financial advisor I would get fairly close to my clients and it was very handy to truthfully state that: I was an independent and quickly drop the matter or discuss their political corncerns in a neutral manner. Politics has a huge influance on the financial markets and clients would initiate discussions from time to time and I did not want to loose business from my Liberal clients, (and I don't lie to people). Here in the very blue and very intollerant Liberal community, that worked real well for me.
Now that I'm in the food business it is not as necessary, as I rarely interact in the same depth with my current customers. That said: I am now used to "sitting on the fence" as you put it here in Gods' country and I see no reason to change to suit someone else's feelings. The Republican party is very weak in Washington, and I don't deal well with being on a team that always looses. Sorry I'm such a wimp in yer eyes; but that's the way it is.
I know my politics are likely more Liberal then yours and certianly Skinny's and probably many of the Cornservatives who post here on iboats too. That is just the way the world of politics is, Eric, (a wide spectrum of relative agreement on both the Right and also the Left). Many of the more polarized believers on each side tend to spank the moderates on their own side, (which I personally feel is counter productive).
Bro Haut has influenced my use of language and my nick name here on iboats but not much about my political approach. You like to hang him on me from time to time, and we do live in the same Metro area, and I kinda like me Bro, (as I like you too), but that is the extent of it: Eric. He is sooooo cagey I can't really tell his true political feelings about most matters anyway, and I would bet he is more Cornservative about some things then he would ever let on. I just know he is well informed and very good at trolling and getting Cornservatives worked up.
As to your feelings about Russia and Iran, I find it incredible that you don't think the Russians supplying nuclear technology to Iran has not hurt the world and specifically our interests. As to what they China and Russia have done to hurt us: hmmmm ever heard of Korea r' Vietnam? How about "the cold war"? A more appropriate question is: what have they EVER done to help us: Eric? I think your world view is unrealistic if you don't think we face pragmatic countries that generally work against our interests on most geo political matters since 1945. My assumption is that regardless of the matter the US is resented in the world which you also acknowledge, (and has been since 1945, when we assumed the mantle of world power broker). It is a myth that the world just hates Ronald Reagan when he was President and George W Bush now. The MSM amplifies ALL NEGATIVES during a Republican presidency and has been in a big way since Nixon. It's part of the Democrat talking points: Eric. Republican Presidents tend to work in America's interest, and the two Democrats: Carter and Clinton tended to work against our interests (under cutting the Shaw in the case of Carter) and bombing our WW2 allies: the Serbs in the case of Clinton, (Mr. Clinton may not have 'worked against America' as Carter clearly did but he did not work forcefully for our interests and engaged in military actions that were 'feel good' in nature due largely to his Democratic base, IMHO). Persuing policies that are not DIRECTLY in America's interest is much more popular with the world, and the world's Liberal media then persuing our own real interests, (as we did in attacking Iraq).
I don't want Iran to keep the camps open, Eric. That said: I can clearly see the circumstances we face today, that you apparently can not or you have a niave feeling that many in the world would not work against us, (as I am certian they would based on their own interests as I stated previously and their past cornduct). Iran is a very tough country. If you take a unilateral military action toward another country's territory ya better be ready for all out war, at least that is the prudent way to approach military action. This PC carp, (attackin' training camps), ya think we can turn off or on is what gets us into prolonged, 'limited' many times 'PC' wars that are very hard to win. If we go at Iran I hope it is very un-PC TOTAL WAR that we fight until they give up UNCONDITIONALLY or we kill every single living thing in their country. We would not have many wars or many enemies if that was our position in WAR: Eric. They have patience JB referred to that we lack. They make sacrifices we will not make. If we openly attack Iran we just put a sick in the hornet's nest and give the anti American world a rally point. Has bombing training camps and nothing more ever worked in any conflict other then to escalate said conflict? Our covert moves against Iran make the front page of the NY Times. If the wimpy anti American Democrats get crushed politically, and the hard Left news outlets loose sufficient business, (as they are now loosing: leading to lower and lower equity values), and the American people find the willpower I know they have, then we could take an action that would have real effect: knock out their only gasoline refinery. That is not the situation today. We have a President on life support, and we really can't do anything until our external enemies elliminate a American city or something that awakens this sleeping Democracy and forces our internal enemies to back down from their current position of cornsiderable strength.
You seem to be impressed with the very sucessfull attack on Iraq's nuclear plant by Israel. Iran is not an Arab country: Eric. Their nuclear assetts, (supplied by our part time buds: the Russians at least in yer eyes), are spread all over their country as they are very smart people and have been doing this for nearly two decades. If we had the will we could take them out, (nuclear assetts) with conventional bombing that would take some time to do. There is no doubt in my mind that the Chinese and Russians and some Europeans would rush to help them if we did that. The world's MSM would pound us every day. Please review world history from 1945 to present: Eric. Your cornclusions are unsupportable if you put any stock in history, and I know of no other way to look at the world.
We are now in a spot where we are nearly helpless to unfolding events, IMHO. The anti war anti American Left has us on one front from within and the Iranians have us on another. The only solution is to stabilize Iraq as best we can, (that includes killing Iranians in Iraq), and try to assert political and economic pressure on Iran as we are now doing. That means we must resist the surender the Left wants to impose, and hope for the best in a nasty situation. Agreed: we shall agree to disagree. Respectfully, JR
