Looking for old Sea King info

[Wetjet]

Re: Looking for old Sea King info

Original Gale shop manuals and parts lists are available from Ken Cook Co., www.kencook.com or P.O. Box 25267, Milwaukee, WI 53225.

 

[timtyler]

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> are available from Ken Cook Co., <br /><br />I couldn't find it there.<br /><br />The only listed 1956 Sea King / Gale models are:<br /><br />HP Year Model <br /><br />25 1956 22D11 <br />25 1956 22D11B <br />25 1956 22D13 <br />25 1956 22D13B <br />25 1956 22DE11 <br />25 1956 22DE11B <br />25 1956 22DE13 <br />25 1956 22DE13B

 

[timtyler]

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Good news (for me anyway)...<br /><br />I was scanning through the early posts in this thread when I noticed Steve Buckley's post which says:<br /><br />"Sounds like the carb idle passage is plugged or the small cork "o" ring seals in the needle jets are allowing air to pass by. "<br /><br />Tom's Outboard shop gave me new seals for free (I've been in everyday for a week) and after scraping the old seals out and replacing them with the new ones, performance has improved dramatically.<br /><br />It still sounds kind of rough, but shouldn't I expect that from a 50 year old motor? I'm also wondering what a idle speed should be; perhaps the idle speed is just faster than I expect.<br /><br />I think I'll put her in the water and see how that goes.

 

[alcan]

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Hi Tim<br />Heck NO, Don't settle for a crummy running motor just because of it's birthday. Believe me that motor has no idea of how old it is. Once you get to the lake or sound what ever. Try to pick an off time or find a piece of dock that's not in the way. Tie off the boat good. Start motor, let it warm-up a little. Then give it full throtle,in gear, dial in your hi-speed needle. Once you have this set fairly close throtle down and reset the low-speed needle. This will probably be easier with the hood off and also the knobs. Use common sence and be careful. When you have this done you should be ready for a little spin. Take your oars and take a buddy. Then while crusing at full throtle you may want to dial in the hi-speed just a bit more. Follow the book on this and make small adjustments then wait. Because of the fat taper on your hi-speed needle you won't have to turn it much.

 

[Fouled Plug]

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Tim, do you have a compression gauge? Would be good to see how your numbers look. A good decarb may help, also.

 

[timtyler]

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> do you have a compression gauge?<br /><br />Being the trustworthy fool that I am, I took the seller's word when he said:<br /><br />"compression is around 125 LBS on each cylinder"<br /><br /> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2419395049 <br /><br />I should get a tester and check though.

 

[ajyanka]

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Tim,<br /><br />I agree with Alcan, that motor will purr! I have a '55 25HP Sea King that I had out Saturday. Believe it or not, I even recieved a complement on how smooth it was idling! I had HUGE troubles getting mine to run nice when I got it. I found a manual that said to turn the idle needle all the way in and back it out 1/4 turn and do the same thing to the high speed needle only back that one out 1/2 a turn. It ran great after that. It took adjusting the needles less than 1/8 of a turn to dial it in on the water. I don't have a tach but mine idles quite slow. I only go about 2MPH in my 15' runabout at idle. BTW, splurge on the ken cook manuals and parts lists. I've used the Seloc manual and then bought the original. NO comparison. It's money very well spent! Just call 'em up and have your model and serial numbers and they will get you the correct manual. I know because mine covers your outboard! Have fun!<br /><br />AJY

 

[alcan]

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Hi Tim <br />While a compression test is a good idea. This is a procedure that should take place near the begining of of a tune up procedure. Since you already have the motor running on both cylinders even though it seems a bit rough, This would indecate to me that the compression is not an issue at this time. Follow the The carb adjustment procedure in your manual.

 

[timtyler]

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AJY,<br /><br />Does yours spew out smoke and leave a oiley residue in the water?<br /><br />I've been testing mine in a water-filled waste can, and the water gets oiley very quickly.<br /><br />There's quite a bit of exhaust smoke too.<br /><br />Tim

 

[alcan]

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Hi Tim<br />This is completely normal. There is no where for the oil to go. Because you have not adjusted your carb yet, you are going to have more oil and more smoke. The beginning settings for the needle valve are usually on the rich side. Your settings should be 1/2-3/4 turn open on the hi-speed and 1 1/2 turns open on the lo-speed. Now since the hi-speed needle controls how much fuel is allowed to enter the bowl,it also has an effect on the lo-speed. This is why it is important to adjust the hi speed needle first, after the begining setting is made. The only way you can make this adjustment is at full throtle. This is why you have to go to the lake, it would not be a good idea to try this in a garbage can. Once you have made the hi-speed adjustment(usually leaned some) You may find that you will need to richen the lo-speed somewhat. Don't worry about smoke, smoke is good. While you are adjusting the hi-speed, as you lean, you will notice there will get to be a lot less smoke. This will let you know that your close. Don't leave the setting at the extreme lean. Once there, fatten it just a litte. Make just a little smoke.

 

[ajyanka]

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Tim,<br /><br />I use a 32:1 gas/oil ratio and it still smokes like a chminey at idle. I've just restored my boat and I was almost sick the first time I pulled it out of the water because of the new waterline stripe on the transom where the oily reside stuck! Like alcan says once it is dialed in and running at higher speeds the smoke dies down. Be sure to check a manual for inital settings, alcan says "1 1/2 turns open on the lo-speed" but mine runs best at only about 1/4 turn. Heck if you don't have a manual yet try both! Let us know what settings work best. I would also suggest making sure all the screws that hold everyting together are firmly tightened or use loctite. I trashed my recoil starter (don't have electric start) when some bolts backed out. You will have fun when you get it out on the water. You can see the nostalgia in the eyes of the boaters who remember these motors when you come puttin by! <br /><br />AJY

 

[timtyler]

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Hey - Much thanks, everybody.<br /><br />I reset the coils today using Lock-Tight, and checked the points again. Made me feel better <br /><br />I put her in a lake today and she fired right up. The idle was still rough (without any calibrations) but constant and slow enough to gently take me away from the boat ramp and the kids swimming in it.<br /><br />There was no public dock I could tie off of, so I just opened it up to about 75% and the motor sounded great -- and loud. It took right off. After about 20 minutes of that I pushed it to 100% but only for a minute or two, and that worked well too.<br /><br />I tried to tweak the low speed needle while puttering along slowly, but it didn't seem to make much difference. The default wasn't that bad, but the motor does "shake" a bit when idling.<br /><br />I'll take your suggestions and either tie off to a dock or find another adult to drive while I calibrate the needles.<br /><br />Thanks again.<br /><br />Now I need to ask about patching holes and fixing leaks in the other forums

 

[alcan]

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Hi Tim<br />Be sure you find a good driver! The lo-speed needle will only funtion properly when the throtle plate is closed. If the throtle is open at all, air rushing through the venturi will draw fuel off the main nozzle, not through the lo-speed circut. From the sounds of things everything is good. Now you just need to lean it down a bit. That rough idle, chugging means too rich. Oh yes, that good driver, you'll need him when you lean that sucker at WOT and it really takes off. Be ready, be carefull.