My 37 year old 2-stroke:
Pay substantially less to acquire than a single year of annual maintenance for most "modern" outboards.
Spend substantially less than a couple of years worth of annual maintenance costs for most "modern" outboards, to rebuild all major systems in motor.
Run without further problems or substantial expense for years afterwards.
Change spark plugs once in awhile, change gear oil as needed, replace water pump impeller every three to four years.
Spend less on fuel and moderately priced semi-synthetic 2-stroke oil, than the payments on most modern outboards of comparible size.
Tow lots of guys with $20,000 motors that have "crapped out" computer chips, with 37 year old outboard that runs like a dream day in and day out.
alot, because "baby needs shoes" doesn't keep me out of the boat - I can do both!
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Four stroke - Fill gas, turn key, leave dock, enjoy the fresh air as you motor about.
Two stroke - Fill gas, add expensive 2 stroke oil, turn key, won't start, pump primer bulb again, finally starts, cloud of blue smoke overwhelms the area, smoke clears bugs and fellow dock users from the scene, leave dock, inhale blue smoke, feel noxious all day
Yep, two strokes are much more user friendly
)Wow... that is pretty bold,
How about oil and filters on your 4 stroke? Are they free? I have a new 150 Optimax and I use under ONE jug of oil for the whole year (@ 100 hrs), $120 CDN. And good luck on seeing any smoke from my engine
(but you can let me know because you would be with everyone else... behind me
Wow... that is pretty bold,
How about oil and filters on your 4 stroke? Are they free? I have a new 150 Optimax and I use under ONE jug of oil for the whole year (@ 100 hrs), $120 CDN. And good luck on seeing any smoke from my engine
(but you can let me know because you would be with everyone else... behind me
One whole jug a season? WOW
The problem is you have to look at the scale. On average, I burn 20-25 gallons of oil a year on the 2 stroke. Twenty five gallons of 2 stroke oil at your price is $3,000 CDN.
Two years ago I burnt 52 gallons. Would have cost me $6,240 CDN at your prices. How much did you pay for your motor?
The oil and oil filter for the 4 stroke cost me less than $100 CDN and 45 minutes of my labor to change.
Is my 4 qt oil change and filter supposed to cost more than 25 gallons of 2 stroke oil?
As far as eating your dust, hardly. You would never make it past the breakers on the way out of the inlet on most days let alone pound your way through 30-40 miles of open ocean.
Tell ya what....I'll even give you a 30 minute head start.
Sure, the 200HP is a faster motor. Throw in your typical 2-3 foot chop that we run and the 2 stroke suddenly becomes no faster than the 4 stroke because your speed is limited by your hull design.
Just to set the record straight, I'm running a 200Hp 2 stroke on the Grady and a 225Hp Zuke 4 stroke on a Maycraft that I?m part owner of.
It's not the hours it's the distances.I guess the point I was trying to make was that you can't just say "2 stroke" there is a HUGE difference between a DFI motor and an old carbureted one. You can't compare prices of oil either, completely different.
Looking back on my post I realize how it came across, my statement about being behind me was in regards to the difference in performance of 2 stroke vs. 4 stroke, specifically the hole shot, apples to apples a 2 stroke will accelerate wayyyy harder than a 4 stroke, so yes if we had the same boat, same power, the 2 stroke would "out perform" the other boat (except for noise levels of course) I was trying to illustrate some of the advantages that 2 stroke has over 4 stroke, and of course the same could be done for the 4 stroke. There has to be a reason why we are spending $20,000 on these motors.
I guess another advantage is less weight and less moving parts (typically).
Sorry if the post seemed arrogant, I guess I should have explained better what I was getting at.
(by the way, I live on the largest lake in Alberta, the biggest waves I have seen so far were 12 ft (during a fishing tournament I was in, 2 boats were lost), average day is 3- 6 ft, normal storm is 7- 8 ft (all measured by sonar) because of the wind here (a few weeks ago a 300 HP 21 ft was sunk during a tournament, one man on the team died). So as far as handling rough water, I am somewhat used to it, and my boat does 50 MPH GPS in true 2 ft chop on step) Am I trying to say my boat is great for the ocean? Not a chance, I would not take it through 40 miles of open ocean, it's not built for that like yours is.
Again, I am not saying 2 strokes are the best, it all depends what you are doing. I was just trying to paint the other side of the picture which nobody was doing!
by the way, how many hours do you put on your motor with that much oil consumption? just curious.
Peter.
So do you still belive the BS that the cost of the oil and oil filter balances out the cost of the 2 stroke oil?
