Low voltage from charge coil in stator

pappy.silver

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I have an 89 120 vro I checked the charge coil on the stator as per the manuals directions and only got 91 volts as apposed to 175 as the book said I replaced the stator and no spark tested the charge coil to see and it was only putting out 87 volts could it the motor isn’t spinning fast enough
 

pappy.silver

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Voltage output for stator on a 120 vro

I have an 89 120 vro and need to verify the voltage output of the stator tested it and got 80 volts book said it should be 175 . Replaced it get the same voltage . Mechanic told me I won’t get 175 volts out of it . Is my book wrong or is it time for a new mechanic
 

racerone

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Some will argue.-----Pull the starter apart for inspection.-----It just may be cranking too slow.
 

sam am I

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What type of meter you using to test the stator's charge coil output voltage? Peak Hold/DVA type? I don't have a/your manual handy but, think those spec voltages are peak reading...........just checking, apples to apples ya know.
 

pappy.silver

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Used a meter that automatically adjusts. Used an older fluke meter then new meter I bought got the same readings on both
 

sam am I

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Well, an "auto range" meter (fluke or otherwise) isn't necessarily able to make a DVA type readings, you can however use a DVA adapter with an auto range meter (set to DC), is this what your doing?

If however you're not and you're just using a auto range meter set to VAC and those spec'd out readings you're looking for are in Vdva/Vp as per your manual, then there's definitely going to be some discrepancies.

If so, I think that is what is going on is, your 87V and 91V are in Vrms and are correct as your meter is just giving you a Vrms interpretations of non-sinusoidal waveforms. Again, they are most likely both correct, a DVA meter would show this to be the case.

TMI..............

Some (most'ish) AC meters are bandwidth limited (say 100 or 200 hz) AND they can't necessarily integrate non-sinusoidal waveform very accurately either (stator waveforms).

So instead of beating mech's heads up with values there equipment might not be able to read, DVA readings were used.

Now, any old meter (or simply a DVA meter) switched over to DC AND using a DVA adapter could be used to measure accurately what is typically calling out as sped'd DVA values.

These readings are nothing more then the very tip top peak value of an AC (typically non-sinusoidal) waveform...For example a saw tooth, spiking transient, flyback , triangle, etc., etc. all have peak values but, are non-sinusoidal. A DVA/Peak Hold meter (or adapter on a DC meter) can easily and accurately capture that peak value and display that peak value.

So, because the AC reading you took are of a fast'ish non-sinusoidal waveform, it isn't too accurate to then use a bandwidth limited, non DVA or peak hold meter on a any non-sinusoidal waveform where the meter is expecting to measure 60'ish hz sine wave and display it in Vrms.

Multiplying your readings by 1.414 will get you close but still off some because the stator's waveform is non-sinusoidal
 
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Vic.S

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Used a meter that automatically adjusts. Used an older fluke meter then new meter I bought got the same readings on both

You need one of the high performance meters such as a Fluke 187,189 or 87v which has a "fast min max" or "peak min max " function
Any other type of meter will need a DVA adapter to capture the peak readings of short voltage pulses.

You will find an explanation of DVA adapters on page 3 of the CDI electronics Troubleshooting guide
http://www.cdielectronics.com/troubleshootingguide/
 
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