M/C 470 Still Heating Up!

a1nowell

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:confused:Two weeks ago my M/C 470 heated up while out fishing. Here is what I found and steps taken to cure the problem:

1)Took the outdrive off and found the plastic tube melted. The impeller was in tack, not damaged.
2)I got a w/p rebuild kit, rebuilt the pump, new impeller, new gaskets, new plastic pipe.
3)Removed old voltage regulater and have direct hose connection from transome seawater pipe to heatexchanger.
4)Flushed seawater pipe from the gimble housing thru the transome and back again.
5) Flushed the seawater side of the heat exchanger and both ways ,in and out all flowed good
6 Flushed the engine water side of the heat exchanger both inbound and out.
7) Replaced the thermostate (also tested it before installation).

Tested the engine in the drive in a 55 gallon rain barrel with water above both sterndrive finns.
Tested it with the muffs on.

The temperature rises very slowly probably 10 to 12 minutes until it gets to about 160. Then it continues to rise but slowly, at about 1200 RPM. I turned it off before the temp reach 200.

Any suggestions?
 

EddiePetty

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Re: M/C 470 Still Heating Up!

.....you can flush until the cows come home and you will never remove debris from the heat exchanger's inlet tube sheet. Remove the forward end cap and check for blockage.

Did you remove the drive and inspect for remains of a flapper (shutter) in the exhaust passages??
 

terrylittle

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Re: M/C 470 Still Heating Up!

i have a 3.7l m/c and had overheating problems. i changed the water pump and it still heated up slowly. i went through everything till i noticed my hose that runs from the sea water tube just behind my motor was a bit kinked, i think from when it heated up hose got really warm and wraped around something back there i cant remember but i then got a new hose and problem fixed. there must be some blockedge some where start back from the water pump and just work your way through u will find something kinked or half assed blocked.
 

a1nowell

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Re: M/C 470 Still Heating Up!

Eddie,
No I did not remove the drive and inspect the flapper. I am not sure where the flapper is, do you have a diagram of the flapper and where and how to get to it?

Terry,
No hose kinks, going to wait till she cools down then I will pull the ends off the heat exchanger.
 

EddiePetty

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Re: M/C 470 Still Heating Up!

...piece #7 of this link:

http://www.marinepartsexpress.com/M...520115_6218036/EXHAUST ELBOW ASSEMBLY-MCM.pdf Rotate the image 90 degrees CCW to get the correct orentitation.
Usually, after an overheat issue, the flapper (shutter) breaks off the hinge pins and falls into the exhaust eblow where it exits the transom into the out drive.
Sometimes, if the flapper broke into small enough pieces, it will lodge just forward of the prop in the lower unit.
I would suggest you remove the complete out drive (just eight nuts and a yank) to inspect the exhaust passages from the transom aft.
Somewhere in this forum is a picture of a flapper stuck in the exhaust. Perhaps the originator will re-post the picture.

And while you're looking for kinked hoses, inspect the water supply hose from the outdrive to the transom nipple (while the out drive is off).
 

a1nowell

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Re: M/C 470 Still Heating Up!

OK,
I have flushed every passage, tube, hose, heat exchanger etc and I have water circulating in all directions. I did pull the ends off the heat exchanger.

When my engine first got hot and I pulled the sterndrive off, I checked the exhaust passge as far as I could get my hand up it and found no debris.

When I took apart the lower unit to rebuild the water pump the plastic pipe was melted but the impeller was good. I did not replace the plastic housing and I think herein lies my problem. After putting it all back together and running the engine in a drum and with muffs it still over heated. (See 1st post) I put new gear oil in before starting. I checked my oil after the engine cooled down and it was milkey. My problem is in my old pumphousing, I guess??? Thoughts please.
 

EddiePetty

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Re: M/C 470 Still Heating Up!

OK,
I have flushed every passage, tube, hose, heat exchanger etc and I have water circulating in all directions.

So, you?ve flushed...with what, a garden hose? Nowhere near the volume supplied by the impeller pump!! Too little volume, especially in the exhaust passages.

I did pull the ends off the heat exchanger.

....and did you find any debris on the inlet (fwd) tube sheet/ Were all the tubes clear of obstructions? Now you need to remove the riser and check for obstructions. Remove the exhaust elbow bellows and peer down into the exhaust elbow (where the shutter used to live!!)...examine for obstructions.

When my engine first got hot and I pulled the sterndrive off, I checked the exhaust passge as far as I could get my hand up it and found no debris.

...and did you look in BOTH directions...into the transom and down into the outdrive? Did you inspect the water supply hose from the drive to the transom nipple for kinks or other deformations?

When I took apart the lower unit to rebuild the water pump the plastic pipe was melted but the impeller was good.

...I find that kinda odd. If the water pump was failing/failed, I would expect apparent damage to the impeller and/or housing. Having you report just the plastic tube melted reinforces my opinion that the exhaust temperatures are too high resultant from insufficient cooling water.

I did not replace the plastic housing and I think herein lies my problem.

Well, me thinks ya? got that one right !!!!! ALWAYS replace the housing, impeller, plate and gaskets as cheap insurance.

After putting it all back together and running the engine in a drum and with muffs it still over heated.

I can?t quite see your rationale for both the drum AND muffs. Enlighten me, please.

I put new gear oil in before starting. I checked my oil after the engine cooled down and it was milkey.

Okay, I?m confused. You put new oil in the drive and after the engine cooled down the oil was milky...which oil, drive or engine?

My problem is in my old pumphousing, I guess???

Ya? got another one right!!!! We?re still guessing here!

NOW....some experimenting.

Follow the water supply hose from the aft side of the water-cooled voltage regulator to the inlet nipple on the inboard side of the transom (dead center of the transom, above the drain plug, under the steering mechanism and coupler....kinda hard to reach/see) Replace this hose with nylon reinforced CLEAR tubing. Run the Maru on muffs not to exceed 1K r.p.m.s and check for full flow of inlet cooling water. Monitor the flow of cooling water and observe for bubbles. Also, keep a close eye on the temperature gauge. Allow the engine to warm and then feel the aft underside of the heat exchanger...it should be warm but not hot. If hot, insufficient cooling water is reaching the exchanger. Likewise, feel of the exhaust water from the prop/relief ports. This should also be warm but not hot and of full flow at least equal to an open garden hose.
 

a1nowell

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Re: M/C 470 Still Heating Up!

OK, after more testing it appears that the exhaust is getting into the seawater system and pressurizing it, keeping the from flowing thru the system.

How can that happen? The manuel has great drawing of the cooling system flow but nothing about the exhaust.

How many flappers are there, 1 or 2? If only one I know where it is located. If ther are 2 where is the 2nd?
 

EddiePetty

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Re: M/C 470 Still Heating Up!

OK, after more testing it appears that the exhaust is getting into the seawater system and pressurizing it, keeping the from flowing thru the system.

With your closed cooling system the exhaust DOES mix with the cooling seawater at the riser (that big lump of cast iron on the aft end of the exhaust manifold). Follow the seawater hose from the aft end of the heat exchanger to the stbd side of the riser and you will see the entrance port of the seawater into the exhaust. The sea water cools the exhaust and provides some muffling. Baring obstructions in the exhaust, the system can not be pressurized as it is open to the sea via the prop and relief ports.

How can that happen? The manuel has great drawing of the cooling system flow but nothing about the exhaust.

Go back to the drawing link I previously provided you and click around on the various system pages to get a better idea of the system function.

How many flappers are there, 1 or 2? If only one I know where it is located. If ther are 2 where is the 2nd?

Again...back to the Bill of Materials in the previously provided drawing link and you will clearly see that the 3.7 has one (1) flapper (shutter), though when broken, it usually splits in halves.
 
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