make a 50hp out of a 40hp

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dolluper

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I have an 8 foot hydro with a 50 merc on it plans said it was rated for 45 with transom braces so I beefed them up no problem ,it flies only on calm water though, no plate on it because I built it
 

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the reason I thought the carbs where the same is because the throttle plate are the same part number. so, if the carb throat size is the same, wouldnt the volume through put be the same?
 

Jeff Walkowiak

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don't know about mercury but omc did a lot of hp changes using the same engine and just putting smaller carbs on it. for example a 9.9 was really a 15 it had a smaller carb, we used to replace the carb with the 15hp carb and that was the only difference between the two.they also used to de tune the big engines with smaller carbs to meet the factory hp ratings that were restricted for bass fishing tournaments, knowing full well that the pros would buy the engine and put the bigger carbs on it to fool the officials.
 

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Originally posted by MKEPHART:<br /> the reason I thought the carbs where the same is because the throttle plate are the same part number. so, if the carb throat size is the same, wouldnt the volume through put be the same?
At this point you need to find a 50 and compare the carbs yourself. You are definately in conflict between what the board told you and what common sense tells you about those carbs. Investigate.....<br />-W
 

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I think there also needs to made a distinction between hanging too *big* a motor for the transom (or boat size) and the HP issue. I make a distiction here that Willy doesn't. :D <br /><br />And then we get into "How old is the boat? Is that infamous "sticker" crankshaft HP or is it propshft hp??"<br /><br />In the case of the 99ci "direct charge" inlines they came in 90/115/135/140/150 hp versions as rated at the powerhead. Depending on the power trim they ALL WEIGH THE SAME and for the most part have about the same bottom end torque on the hole shot. (Speaking to modern boats the most propshaft hp those 150's produce is about 135)<br /><br />IMHO you can hang a 99ci 1500 on anything you could origionally hang the 99ci 90 on. Same motor, more top end. Ditto the 40/45/50's of old.<br /><br />In my opinion getting the most hp out of the correct size/displacement motor for your boat isn't where the real serious risks come in. It's when you put a bigger motor on that was ever intended to be there. At the point where the boat faces a loss of controll from excessive chinewalking or risks blowover... you went too far. :D <br /><br />To use my 2000 Seaswirl as an example....<br /><br />It came with a 115 Jonnyrude and was the hull stiker says Max 140. Being a 2000 this is all propshaft ratings. I hung a 1988 propshaft rated Merc 115 on it. (lighter on the transom for openers)<br /><br />I'm in the middle of building a "one off" 1500 ADI powerhead for it. Even with every trick in the book thrown at it, I'll be lucky if it ever exceeds 140 at the propshaft, so my *reality* is that I'll be within the spirit of the sticker. But it would be kind of silly for me to resticker the motor to a 1500 when to anyone else *but* someone of my level of expertise it comes off as a 115. Why invoke all the questions should something ever happen?<br /><br />Some of these questions about upping power and overpowering a hull are best left to the "Scream & Fly" boards. Those guys specialise in just that kind of stuff. <br /><br />The best single safety step (aside from all the rule book stuff)) is to stay off the water (or away from the traveled areas)on the holiday weekends when all the twice a year yahoos come out and do some very, very, strange things on the water. <br /><br />The next best safety thing is to TROLL if it's dark or you've had anything at ALL to drink (or both). My cousin was killed by a drunk boater, I was almost run into at night by one, I was stopped - light on) Nothing scares me more than a 300hp bass boat with a case of beer loaded. <br /><br />Next is a wrist mounted kill switch and a worn lifevest of sufficiant speed rating for your boats speed if you're gonna hammer it.<br /><br />But I rammble..........<br /><br />-W
 

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MKE....the casting for the carb is different becuase the venturi is bigger on the 50 hp. The bore before and after the venturi should be the same size and thats why the butterflies are the same
 

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one more question, who makes the "WME" carburators<br />is merc the only source? or does some else sell them too. thankx
 

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They ARE Mercury (XKE..blah blah or somthn' castings)<br />You could try a Mercury bone yard. :cool:
 

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Weight is certainly an issue. For instance an old 115 V-6 Merc OptimMax is obviously going to be WAY heavier than the new 3 cylinder version. "So if a boat can carry a V-6 115, it can damwell hold a V-6 200." That's the position of some here. The capacity plate doesn't go into much detail. Horsepower is the only determining factor here and 115 is 115 is 115. (Wisconsin Boating Regulations 2002 "It is unlawful ... to equip a boat with propulsion in excess of its safe power capacity.")<br /><br />I keep hearing about Insurance Companies. If your insurance company will cover an overpowered boat, so be it. But it isn't necessarily YOUR insurance company you're going to have to worry about. It's THEIR insurance company and THEIR lawyer that are going to take your house when you maim THEIR client with an overpowered boat. I believe the term the lawyers use is "Slam-Dunk".<br /><br />Obviously the kind of boat is an issue. For instance a ski-show boat that is going to be pulling pyramids obviously needs way more ponies than the boat needs for itself. And racing boats are in a class all by themselves. We're talking about CONSUMER boats here, nothing else. We're not here to split hairs or bring-up all of the idiosyncracies to try to justify something that defies common sense. The maximum horsepower sould NEVER be exceeded, and a motor's horsepower should ALWAYS be appropriately represented. Pretty simple principals! Anything else is cheating and cheating gets you into trouble. My stance will never change on these.<br /><br />Sorry for the rant MKEPHART. That was directed at those who want to convince themselves that overpowering is okay "IF...". Anyhow, I believe I answered your question about the carb differences in my second response. The venturi is the circular ridge halfway down the bore that governs how much air passes. Bores stay the same. I'm afraid I don't have any answers about the stampings, but I believe Merc makes their own carbs on most everything Merc makes. The motors are fairly new on the market and you won't find much for used parts. I used to deal with a place called Outboard Recycle on the west coast. Otherwise you're stuck with ordering new from a dealer. That way you can order stickers at the same time. ;)
 

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Just wanted to throw in a little anectodal :eek: ...<br /><br />I heard of a warden that was frequently issuing citations for overpowering on local lakes. He found out who was selling the parts. For every new citation the warden wrote to an operator, another went to the dealer that sold the parts. That was on lakes with 10Hp restrictions. It was easy to tell which 9.9s were turned into 15s by the planing rowboats with two passengers and a dog. A 9.9 ain't gonna plane it. Like shooting fish in a barrel. :D
 

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Anyone done this with the efi models. Same thing part numbers match up besides a few things like injectors and ecm also the 40 has a restrictor in the intake. But I’ve been trying to figure this out for my efi 40
 
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