making power on 4.3

mylesm260

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Say what? Sorry but you are very badly misinformed. Camaro, Caprice, even Impala's as early as 85 had them. Pontiac had them in the Firebird, Parisienne and even a few Grand Ams. Olds also used it but I'fd have to look up the actual modle.

To take it further, the 4.3 V-6 is an engine that has under gone so many changes and variations you really have no idea what his engine is rated at in HP with out knowing the spoecifics of year and modle number. Some of them only put out around 160 HP.


Yes, except he said his new motor is vortec.
From wikipedia:

4300

The Vortec 4300 is a 90? V6 truck engine, replacing the Chevrolet 250 in light trucks and 200 cu in (3.3 L) and 229 cu in (3.8 L) 90-degree V6s in passenger cars. The 4300 is based on the 350 cu in (5.7 L) Chevrolet small-block V8, and first appeared in 1985 with the throttle-body injected LB4 in passenger cars; light trucks and vans used Quadrajet carburetors for 1985. In 1991, the limited-edition GMC Syclone featured a 280 hp (210 kW) and 350 lb?ft (475 N?m) turbocharged and intercooled LB4 with the first use of multi-point fuel injection on a Vortec V6. The central-port injected L35 (Vin 'W') debuted in 1992; the cylinder block was slightly changed, a balance shaft was added to remove minor vibrations, and better breathing yielded 200 horsepower (150 kW). Another CPI engine, the LF6, joined in 1996 with the introduction of Vortec cylinder heads, while the LB4 was retired after 1998. In 2002, GM introduced a new multi-point injected LU3 engine, and a LG3 variant appeared soon after. This engine's origins date back to 1955, when the original Chevy small-block V-8 was introduced.

All Vortec 4300s use a cast iron block and heads and 4 in (101.60 mm) bore and 3.48 in (88.39 mm) stroke, both of which are the same as a 350, which gives them a displacement of 262.39 cubic inches (4,299.8 cc). Connecting rods still measure 5.7 in (144.78 mm) although the rod journal diameter is 2.25 in (57.15 mm). 1992 and later cylinder blocks used a different timing cover since these engines used a balance shaft (some 1992 production cylinder blocks for the LB4 with TBI induction used the 'traditional' front timing chain cover from the small block Chevrolet). They are OHV engines with two valves per cylinder and are produced in Tonawanda, New York and Romulus, Michigan. Power output of the new LU3/LG3 engines is 180 hp (130 kW) to 200 hp (150 kW) and 245 lb?ft (332 N?m) to 260 lb?ft (353 N?m).

4300 applications:

* 1985-2005 Chevrolet Astro/GMC Safari
* 1991-1993 GMC Syclone/GMC Typhoon (See LB4 below)
* 1988-1995 Chevrolet Blazer/GMC Jimmy
* 2001-2002 Chevrolet Express/GMC Savana
* 1988-2003 Chevrolet S-10/GMC S-15
* 1994-2001 Oldsmobile Bravada
* 1985-2001 Chevrolet C/K

LU3 applications:

* Chevrolet Astro/GMC Safari (base models)
* Chevrolet S10 Blazer / GMC S15 Jimmy
* Chevrolet Express/GMC Savana (base models)
* Chevrolet S-10/GMC Sonoma
* Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra (base models)
* GMC Envoy
* Isuzu Hombre (optional)
* Oldsmobile Bravada (base model)

LB4 applications:

* 1991 GMC Syclone
* 1992?1993 GMC Typhoon

I don't see ANY cars in this list...

Yes, it was introduced in 1985 and was used in some cars, but once they switched to vortec heads (1996) it was only used in trucks.

Even though truck people called that engine the vortec for many years, us marine people only refer to the engines with true "vortec" heads vortec's.



Oh.. and here's the wiki for the camero:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Camaro

No mention of the 4.3 in there.

In fact, here is the list of engines for the camero from 1982-1992 (3rd gen).

Manufacturer Chevrolet
Parent company General Motors
Production 1982-1992
Assembly Van Nuys, California
Norwood, OH 1982-1987 only
Predecessor Chevrolet Camaro (second generation)
Successor Chevrolet Camaro (fourth generation)
Class Pony car
Muscle car
Sports car
Body style(s) 2-door coupe
2-door convertible
Layout FR layout
Platform F-body
Engine(s) 2.5L I4
2.8L V6
3.1L V6
5.0L V8
5.7L V8
Transmission(s) 4-speed automatic
5-speed manual
3-speed automatic
4-speed manual



Here's the link for the grand am as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Grand_Am#Engines


So again, going back to what I said, ANY true "vortec" 4.3 he's going to get his hands on is going to be camed very very close to the marine cam, and it would NOT be the cause of him not being able to get full RPMS.

Going from a 4bbl to a 2bbl on the other hand....

Oh and I've been running fresh water trough my automotive water pump and my automotive heads gaskets for 3 seasons now, with no problems. I don't go in salt water, just fresh lakes. If I wanted to take my automotive motor in salt water, I would install a heat exchanger, rather than pull my heads and change out my gaskets.
 

mylesm260

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Re: making power on 4.3

*sigh*
 

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winner228

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Re: making power on 4.3

were would the casting numbers be. and my friend told me the engine was for a 1996 k1500.
 

mylesm260

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Specs for a 1996 K 1500 4.3

Max torque: 260 ft/lbs @ 2800 RPMS
Max power: 200 HP @ 4600 RPMS

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Glance.aspx?year=1996&make=Chevrolet&model=C/K 1500


Keep in mind those are in a truck, with a restrictive intake and exhaust for emissions. It is essentially the exact same block, heads and cam as this:

http://www.gm.com/experience/technology/gmpowertrain/engines/specialized/marine/2010_4300_Marine.pdf

226 HP @ 4800 RPMS and 268 ft/lbs

If you can get your intake, fuel and ignition setup, assuming you've got no engine issues (good compression, etc) you should be able to surpass the performance of your old engine.

A really easy way to compare cam's is to look where the motors are making peak HP. You're truck motor is making peak HP @ 4600 with a restrictive truck exhaust. The marine motor makes peak HP @ 4800 with marine exhaust. If you factor in the exhaust, the cam profiles are pretty much bang on.

Yes, I understand there are other factors in a cam shaft, but peak HP @ RPMS is a pretty good metric of how hot a cam is.



What happened to the 4bbl carb off your old engine?
 

winner228

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still have it. when i had the old motor i got a brand new QJET but i dont have the 4bbl intake for the new vtec motor.
 

MikDee

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mylesm is 100% right, Actually after hanging out at the S-10 forum occasionally, because I have a 95' Chevy S-10 4.3, What he's got here is "the cream of the crop" of 4.3 V6's! ;) Now if only he can get it set up right without blowing it :)
 

mylesm260

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Well, I can tell you that a 4 bbl on a non-vortec is pretty similar to a 2 bbl on a vortec, at least on paper.

soooooo somethings not right.... IF your not confident/familiar with your carb, I would suggest getting your hands on a vortec manifold and go from there.....
 

Tail_Gunner

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mylesm is 100% right, Actually after hanging out at the S-10 forum occasionally, because I have a 95' Chevy S-10 4.3, What he's got here is "the cream of the crop" of 4.3 V6's! ;) Now if only he can get it set up right without blowing it :)


I just have to go here....Just how can you install and mount all the nessecary equipment and not be able to time a motor or set up the carb...:confused:
 

mylesm260

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I like to think of it like this.


Bolting the pieces together is like playing with lego: It's a visual thing, you can see where all the pieces go.

But to time the motor, you need to understand some concepts, ignition curves, spark advance, Top dead center, these are things you can't always see and visualize.

Maybe his distributor is off a tooth, maybe his ignition is set it "timing set mode" and he's got no curve, maybe his carb is setup completely wrong.



Back to the problem. You take a timing light to this thing? what about if you change your RPM's, does the timing change as well?

I would honestly source a 4.3 vortec carbed intake manifold, and put you're old 4bbl on this motor. Your new 4.3 is going to want the 4bbl for sure, right now, it's breathing through a straw.
 

MikDee

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Okay, first things first, Check your firing order on the distributor cap, it is clockwise rotation. Then check to see the right wires, are going to the right plugs. With such a sudden loss of power, it seems you might have a couple plug wires crossed. Then we'll go from there, Here this diagram should help, scroll down on this page:
http://www.2carpros.com/forum/firing-order-1988-43-v6-vt59547.html
 
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Jimmy627

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Sorry to inform you Bubba but the Camaro, Caprice, Firebird, Parisienne came with the 3.8 litre. As for the Grand Am which was FWD that came with the 3400 Motor. The 4.3's CAME IN THE CHEVY BLAZER, GMC JIMMY, CHEVY ASTRO VAN, GMC SAFARI & THE CHEVY & GMC 1500 SERIES P/UP'S, NOT IN CAR'S. So the cam's that are in these motor's are close to Marine Cam's.
 

winner228

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see the stuff with the plug wires sounds good but the motor runs great no missing the only thing is it will just not get the wot rpm's. this weekend I will check the fuel pressure and check the jets in the carb/float. when I timed the motor I put it in base timing mode with the purple wire and set timing at 10 BTDC. the compression is 70 to 72 u cant get much better then that.
 

winner228

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i ment 170 to 172 sorry. whats the psi to be at on the fuel pump.
 

mylesm260

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Sorry but you are wrong. I did not know however that the vortec was truck use only. The very first 4.3 V-6 was in 85 and came in the Caprise and went into lots of GM cars. But, that's not really here nor there and doesn't fix the posters problem.

He's actually right about that one.....
not a "vortec 4.3" but a 4.3 none the less.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Caprice

Production 1977-1990
Assembly Arlington, Texas
Oshawa, Ontario
South Gate, California
Detroit, Michigan - Clark Avenue
Flint, Michigan
Body style(s) 4-door sedan
4-door station wagon
2-door coupe
Engine(s) 250 cu in Chevrolet Straight-6
229 cu in Chevrolet 90? V6
262 cu in Chevrolet 90? V6
267 cu in Small-block V8
305 cu in Small-block V8
307 cu in Oldsmobile V8
350 cu in Small-block V8
350 cu in Oldsmobile Diesel V8
Transmission(s) 3-speed automatic
4-speed automatic
Wheelbase 116 in (2946 mm)
Length 215.7 in (5479 mm) (wagon)
212.2 in (5390 mm) (sedan)
Width 79.3 in (2014 mm) (wagon)
75.4 in (1915 mm) (sedan)
Height 58.2 in (1478 mm) (wagon)
56.4 in (1433 mm) (sedan)
Related Buick LeSabre
Buick Estate
Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser
Oldsmobile 88
Pontiac Bonneville
Pontiac Parisienne
Pontiac Catalina
Pontiac Laurentian
Pontiac Safari

Oh god, and the 4.3's they put in the caprices back then were TAINT!
1985 262 cu in Chevrolet V6 130 hp (97 kW) 210 lb?ft (285 N?m) TBI single

If you dropped THAT into a boat, you would be lucky to get 3400 rpms! (unless you drastically changed your prop)


IF you guys ever want the facts on anything, google:
" *insert item here* wiki "
 

MikDee

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Just a silly question, if you have this new vortec motor up, & running, where did you find a 2bbl vortec manifold for it? much less a 2bbl vortec marine manifold? Is this an aftermarket edelbrock 2 bbl manifold?, I know they make a vortec one that you can put a 2bbl on, or a TBI, from what I've learned over at the S-10 forum.

Next, did you check this picture to see if all is as shown here first?
 

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