manual trim question

lazydawg

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I have a 15' Bassmaster with a 40 Hp Mariner, long shaft, manual trim. When I got the boat it needed a new prop and I replaced it with one of identical specs. A Michigan prop 10-5/8 X 12. It planes fine when I am by myself, but when there are two people the passenger has to move forward to get it to plane. If I understand the principle correctly I should trim the motor toward the transom to help with planing. Is this correct? How much will it affect the bow once it is on plane? (It already rides fairly low) Any other suggestions?
 

Drowned Rat

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Re: manual trim question

What position do you have your motor in now when you try to plane? If it's tilted back beyond vertical, that could account for the problem your having. Make sure the engine is near vertical for the hole shot. After you're on plane you shouldn't notice your bow riding lower than it should with this configuration.
 

lazydawg

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Re: manual trim question

I'm not sure if I'm using the correct terminology with trim in and out. Right now it is trimmed out (prop away from transom) either two or three holes, I'm not sure how vertical that makes it. It sounds like you think it needs to go out more?<br /><br />
If it's tilted back beyond vertical, that could account for the problem your having.<br />
Or am I misunderstanding you?
 

Drowned Rat

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Re: manual trim question

2 or 3 holes is probably about right. If you have problems with the prom aerating, I would try a Doel Fin or on your motor. A 40hp motor is a little underpowered on that boat I think. Get some of the experts on this site to help you with prop pitch and diameter, although it's probably ok if its the one you had on there before.
 

lazydawg

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Re: manual trim question

It is rated at 50 Hp max, if that helps any. Why would 2 or 3 be about right? Is that about vertical usually? How can I tell if it is aerating? Thanks for the input, this is my first boat and I am new to all of this.
 

lazydawg

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Re: manual trim question

Anyone else? I guess this fits better in the general outboards category. Sorry about that.
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: manual trim question

lazydawg <br /><br />Without power trim, you are going to have to comprimise between a good hole shot that will get you on plane quickly, but at the same time, will lower the nose or riding position of the boat, once you are underway. The trick is to experiment by putting the pin in different holes and see what works best. Generally, when the engine is tilted toward the transom, the faster you will plane. But leaving it at that setting will make the front of the boat "plow" into the water By trimming out farther, you will have a tougher time planing, but will ride better once on plane. Try different holes and see how it affects the running attitude. Of course, when you have 2 or 3 extra people on the boat, all that changes. That's why power trim is a very good thing to have, as you can tuck the motor in toward the transom for good take-off and then trim it out for proper running attitude. You may want to invest in an electrical add-on tilt and trim unit that would solve your problems. These are very good:<br /><br /> CMC<br /><br />By the way, the prop you are running is right in the ballpark!!
 

Jdeagro

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Re: manual trim question

Lazydawg,<br /><br />Rick is correct with regard to how the boat will perform when you change the trim angle. No matter what it is a comprimise, you will either get a better hole shot and run bow down at crusing speeds, or loose the hole shot and run correctly at cruising speeds. If you set it up for a heavy load (three people) you will need to adjust it for a lighter load ( one person). With electric tilt and trim you can adust the prop angle while underway. <br /><br />At this point you need to know that I have a proprietary interest in Smart Tabs, but I think you will find what I am about to say interesting.<br /><br />Trim tabs have not been commonly used on small boats for a few reasons which I will address, but nothing will work better than altering the hull design to compensate for load, speed, water conditions, etc. That is what trim tabs do. Just like flaps on airplane wings. With the Tabs down on take off, the stern lift will be amzing. When cruising you move the tabs up so the bow does not run down. <br /><br />This sounds like the same thing that the electric tilt trim will do, right? Nope! When using tilt trim to adjust the boat attitude your are using the prop to perform two functions, propell & correct attitude. Even if the prop was as efficient as trim tabs in correcting attitude (which it is not), running the prop through the water at an angle is not efficient from a thrust standpoint. The loss of efficiency is a loss of performance and fuel economy. Look at it this way; if the prop is facing streight up you have 0% efficiency ( no forward or backward thrust), if it is perpendicular to the surface of the water you have 100% efficiency (maximum thrust). Tilting the prop at any angle away from perpendicular is a loss of efficiency. Let the prop propell, and let the trim tabs do the attitude adjustment job.<br /><br />Now, why don't small boats come with trim tabs? First, hydraulic or electric trim tabs are too costly for the value of the boat, and with enough hp the boat will plane ( small boats typically have twice the power to weight ratio of their big brothers ( 30' sedan ).<br /><br />Secondly and most importantly is safety. If one trim tabs is accidentaly deployed on a small, light, fast boat at cruising speeds the passengers could end up in the water.<br /><br />Smart Tabs are designed specifically for smaller boats, and they are fully active / automatic at all times. Therefore the hull design is being adjusted to weight, speed, water conditions as they change. They are adjsutable to each individual boat to provide the maximum efficiency. Do a search on this site for Smart Tabs and read the comments.
 

catfish1

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Re: manual trim question

lazydawg, i have a set of smart tabs on my 14ft bayliner and they are great. the smart tabs made my boat plane faster than the hydrofoil did, with little to no bow rise. ;)
 
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