Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

LFTDJEEP

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My wife and I were out on the boat this last Saturday and after running back in from the inlet I had been cruzing at about 35mph for about 15 minutes and the master alarm started sounding in the engine compartment (2002 Glastron 4.3 Vortec Volvo Penta SX). I slowed to an idle and after about 2 or 3 minutes the alarm went off. All of the gauges were fine, oil level was fine..... what could this be due too? I'm at a total loss.

Once we were closer to the ramp I hammered it for about 2 minutes and same thing, the alarm started to sound and after idling for 2 to 3 minutes it went off.

Please, any thoughts guys?
 

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Re: Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

If your exhaust risers and manifolds are stock, I would bet that they are pretty pluged up and not flowing well and overheating during a hard or extended run. There is a temp sensor on each riser. You can check flow by how hot they become after a good run. You should be able to touch them. They will be warm, but should not be uncomfortably hot to place a hand on. Your Volvo should have a flush connection on the right side of your engine compartment. If you do, hook up the hose and while flushing with the engine off, remove the drain plug on the back of one manifold. Stick a fingure or small screw-driver in there and probe around. You'll be amazed at how much junk comes out. Keep probing till no more junk comes out. Shut off the water, replace that plug, turn the water back on and repeat for the other side. This whole process takes about 15 minutes and might solve your alarm problem. Good luck.
 

LFTDJEEP

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Re: Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

Senior B,

Thanks for the advise. To my knowledge, the manifolds had been replaced about 3 years ago. I do flush the engine for about 5 to 10 minutes after every outing; however, I have never flushed the manifolds. When flushing the manifolds:

1. Is this drain easily accessable?
2. Is it going to drop "crud" into the engine compartment?
3. How big is this drain hole and how far should I be probing into the manifold?

Thanks again for all of the help!
 

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Re: Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

if you flush the engine on the muffs then you are also flushing the manifolds and risers.

If this motor is EFI, you'll need a scan tool to see what sensor is tripping the alarm.

When was the last time the water pump was done?
 

LFTDJEEP

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Re: Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

I don't use the muffs when flushing and I'm pretty sure that it has never ben flushed that way. The guy I bought it from (first owner) used the hose bib on the side of the motor to flush it as I have done as well. I don't know if the water pump has ever been replaced. I did get a stack of paperwork from the origional owner with maintenance records. The motor only had 56 hours on it when we bought it almost 2 months ago. Seemed to have been very well taken care of.

It is not an EFI motor and I'm now curious as to what all I am actually flushing when using the hose bib. I'm wondering if i should get a pair of muffs now.

Also as a side note/question, the motor has a Holly Carb. Is it a pain in the but to remove and put a carb kit in or am I opening a can of worms?
 

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Re: Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

So the motor has 56 hours on it, but had new manifolds installed 3 years ago?

Back to the water pump, when was the last time it was changed?
 

Don S

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Re: Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

I would start with a new raw water pump impeller, Using the hose in the engine compartment does not flush the pump, and the salt will dry and can damage the impeller and the housing.
If after replacing the impeller and/or the pump you still have a problem, check the exhaust riser temp with a temp gun. If they are 190 or below and the alarm still goes off, remove the temp switch wire on each riser to see if one is causing the alarm.
 

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Re: Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

My pet peave with alarm systems, they don't tell you anything of value. Sort of like the "Check Engine" light in your car. :(

Yes, I agree, but they do tell you something is wrong, then all you have to do is a little searching to find out what.
 

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Re: Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

Any way you flush is flushing the manifolds and risers but by taking out the drain plug on the back of the manifold and probing with a fingure while flushing with the hose will allow all the junk to come out. You don't have to probe very far. You will feel the crud when you stick your fingure in and the water pressure from flushing will push it out. Yes, it will go down in the bilge but the water will drain out the back and a wet/dry shop vac makes quick work of the rest. If yours are only 3 yrs old then the problem as Don S mentioned is probably a worn impeller.
 

LFTDJEEP

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Re: Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

So the motor has 56 hours on it, but had new manifolds installed 3 years ago?
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Yes. :D The Orig Owner said that he had all of the scheduled maintenance completed on the boat even if the hours didn't say it needed it but the time frame (age of the boat/components) deemed it necessary.

I said earlier that the water pump has not been replaced to my knowledge.......

I'm not trying to give you guys false information, I'm meerly trying to diagnose a problem and giving only the information I have to this point.

Trust me I was as suprised to find this old of a boat with this low of hours on it. I took that into consideration when buying it knowing that it has sat more than been in the water; however, the Orig Owner did take very good care of it.

I'm a little confised about the flushing techniques discussed here. Some state that using the hose bib doesn't flush the whole engine but the muffs do, and others say that the hose bib does in fact flush the whole system. What exactly gets flushed with the bib and what exactly gets flushed with the muffs? I would have to believe that something gets left out in one of the two scenerios.

Regardless, do they make an "engine flush" for boats similar to what you would use to flush your coolant system in a car? I realize that there is no way to keep the system sealed (to my knowledge) as in a car so this might not be possible and I may have just answered my own question.

If my problem is the worn impeller potentially, am I basically replacing the waterpump as if the V6 was in an S-10 or is there more involved. I worked as a mechanic through college but am VERY infamiliar with boats (this being my first I/O). Bear with me guys, I'm a newbie at this stuff and I don't know all of what transfers between automotive and watercraft.
 

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Re: Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

I don't use the muffs when flushing and I'm pretty sure that it has never ben flushed that way. The guy I bought it from (first owner) used the hose bib on the side of the motor to flush it as I have done as well. I don't know if the water pump has ever been replaced.

It is not an EFI motor and I'm now curious as to what all I am actually flushing when using the hose bib. I'm wondering if i should get a pair of muffs now.

A little detective work may reveal what is flushed, depending on where the flush-hose is connected...If it is connected to the intake hose (as it is on my engine), then flushing requires that the engine be on to turn the water pump and circulate the hose water through the system and on to the exhaust. If the engine is not on, then the hose water goes out the back and flushes nothing but the steering fluid cooler and drive...it can't get past the impeller...

If the flush hose inserts past the impeller, then opening the garden hose flushes through all the way to the manifolds and risers, and out the exhaust.

The key is where the hose goes in, and the engine cooling system diagram alone may not tell you. You will have to look and sort it out in the engine room.
 

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Re: Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

Flushing on muffs with the motor running gets: Outdrive Water Passages, Power-Steering Cooler, Raw Water pump, Engine Block, Manifolds and Risers. Hose gets a better flush of the motor as its under pressure and moves more water through the block and out the thermostat housing as well as more volume out the manifolds and risers but not much water if any through the raw water pump or power steering cooler which is why you flush this way with the motor off. You have 2 seperate water pumps. One is the engine circulation pump which is on the front of your motor. It's the same S-10 V6 pump you speak of. The Raw water pump is mounted down on the front of the crank pully. This is what pulls water from the lower unit and feeds the circulation pump. This pump water also goes straight to the manifolds and risers. Just follow the two black hoses low on the right side of the motor and they take you to the Raw water pump. The impeller is in the housing. It's very easy to change out in @ 20 min.
 

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Re: Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

LFT, my boat is a 2002 Glastron 205 GX with 5.0 Volvo. Send a Private message and I can answer most any question about your boat except how to get the front seats out.
 

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Re: Master Alarm after running 35mph plus for entended period?

What is the full model number or even the serial number of your engine?
 
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