Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

dr3131

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I am buying a 1825 explorer 2008 and am trying to decide which motor to put on it.
Does anyone have any objective reasons why I should go with either one.
I don't have a great feeling about the mercury but I don't know why (perception).
I am not very knowledgable on the subject and would appreciate any help.
THanks
 
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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

I'll spare all the usual technical reasons (if you haven't looked into the real ETEC story, I encourage you to do so). What I can say is that after a long period of research I went with an ETEC 90 for my 20' Lund Alaskan and absolutely every positive thing I heard prior to purchase were all true for me.

Quiet
Powerful
Easy on gas
Easy on oil
Clean and smokeless
Starts immediately
I even tried pull starting it to see if it would go and... it DID~!

E
 

Navy Jr.

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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

We went with the Merc 115hp for our 2008 Lund 1750 Fisherman. It is quiet (dealer started it while I was parking the truck; I had to ask if it was running when I got in the boat), fuel efficient, uses the cheapest 87-octane gas we can find, no need to keep oil in a separate tank, and has all the power we need. There were some package savings by going with Merc, and at the time we bought it there was a 5-year warranty promotion, as well.

Yes, I've seen the E-tec video and heard the Merc bashing (is it really substantiated?), but it's up to you to decide what you need, how much you're willing to spend, if you want to buy oil to mix with the gas, and what you choose to believe.
 

Lundman

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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

We went with the Merc 115hp for our 2008 Lund 1750 Fisherman. It is quiet (dealer started it while I was parking the truck; I had to ask if it was running when I got in the boat), fuel efficient, uses the cheapest 87-octane gas we can find, no need to keep oil in a separate tank, and has all the power we need. There were some package savings by going with Merc, and at the time we bought it there was a 5-year warranty promotion, as well.

Yes, I've seen the E-tec video and heard the Merc bashing (is it really substantiated?), but it's up to you to decide what you need, how much you're willing to spend, if you want to buy oil to mix with the gas, and what you choose to believe.

The E-TEC is an oil injected motor. It does not require you to mix the gas and
oil manually. Is that Merc a four stroke motor,or is it the 115 Optimax motor?
You did not state which it was. If it is the 115 Optimax,you have a separate
oil tank you have to keep full,just like on the E-TEC. Though I still find it hard to believe you can take a brand new motor(E-TEC),and run it full throttle out
of the box,I still would choose the Evinrude over the Merc any day of the week. Take the E-TEC over the Merc.
 

Lundman

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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

I am buying a 1825 explorer 2008 and am trying to decide which motor to put on it.
Does anyone have any objective reasons why I should go with either one.
I don't have a great feeling about the mercury but I don't know why (perception).
I am not very knowledgable on the subject and would appreciate any help.
THanks


Go with the Evinrude by all means. I had Mercury on my previous boat and had nothing but trouble with it. Wished I had put a "JohnnyRude"(Johnson or Evinrude motor) on it when I got it. Again,...choose the Evinrude!
 

Navy Jr.

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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

The E-TEC is an oil injected motor. It does not require you to mix the gas and
oil manually. Is that Merc a four stroke motor,or is it the 115 Optimax motor?
You did not state which it was. If it is the 115 Optimax,you have a separate
oil tank you have to keep full,just like on the E-TEC. Though I still find it hard to believe you can take a brand new motor(E-TEC),and run it full throttle out
of the box,I still would choose the Evinrude over the Merc any day of the week. Take the E-TEC over the Merc.

Our Merc 115 is a 4-stroke, not an Optimax. I don't recall stating one had to manually mix the gas and oil on an e-tec, just that you need to buy the oil that is mixed with the gas. Maybe it's just me, but that just makes the cost of fueling your boat that much more.

Now, since you're back on this thread again, just exactly what were the things that went wrong with your Mercury. What model engine was it, how old was it, and how many hours did it have? It would be easier to understand your frustration with the brand if you could be more specific.
 
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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

I don't think you can go wrong with either engine really. The outboards made today are incredibly sophisticated machines and should prove to be mostly trouble free for many, many hours of use.

You may get a lemon from either Evinrude or Merc, but I really don't know I could generalize and say that one is better than the other. Kind of like comparing a Ford to a Chevy or a Honda to a Toyota.

I happen to have an Etec on my Lund and love it. I chose it mostly based on price (slightly used and came from a non-profit that had to sell at wholesale to get new motors from Evinrude), but I really prefer 2 strokes on boats for weight reasons. Mine is only a 40 HP, so it is a completely differnent animal than the 115 (although the engines share many internal parts due to BRP's "modular" approach). Even for a 2-cylinder it is smooth enough at idle and amazingly quiet even at full tilt..and the sound the Etecs do make at full throttle is a little more pleasing to listen too in my opinion (not something that can be classified/quantified, but they sound "tighter" or something).

There is zero smoke with these things and the meet the same EPA regs as the cleanest 4S.

Being a 2S, it does consume oil. But you will be surprised at how little they use since the oil is injected directly into the moving parts and is not sucked through a carburator like on conventional 2S engines where it must whirl around in the crankcase in hopes of lubing a bearing. In other words, the engines lube moving parts in much the same way as a 4S (oil directly flows where needed) but there is no sump and no oil to change. I have yet to refill the oil bottle on mine and I have been using it somewhat regularly....probably uses oil similarly to a 150:1 mix. Maybe less.

You do have to buy the Evinrude oil for the Etec though. It is offered in 2 flavors - XD50 and XD100 - and you have to have the engine programmed by the dealer for the appropriate oil. You can run XD100 ($30/gal) in an engine programmed for XD50 ($25/gal), but not the other way around. i use XD100 and am programmed at XD50 levels which may be wasetful, but we're not talking about much oil here. And I don't usually winterize as I use the boat all year - even when below freezing until the lakes get soild - and the XD100 is supposed to offer better cold lubricating properties.

Even at $30/gal, with the consumption rate so low and gas prices where they are the expenses for oil are trivial in comparison. besides, you do have oil to change in a 4S, and it isn't free either and if you count your time for anything you might do well to consider an Etec or Optimax.

Speaking of winterizing, on the Etec you can do it yourself (via a few sequenced movements of the throttle) and the motor will fog iteself in only a few minutes. Slick.

The Etec 115 is probably lighter and more compact than the Merc since there is - mechanically - lot less inviolved with a 2S. In my size class, the Etec actually advertises a higher weight than the Merc 4S, but it seems that Evinrude lists operational weight while other manufacturers list only the lightest version. A few pounds saved help to balance the boat and in theory reduce fuel consumption on the road...

The Engine Management Module (EMM) computer in the Etec tells the oil injection system to use more oil during break in. So the engine does in fact undergo a break in period, but you won't know it.

They call for no service for 3 years on the Etecs which seems plausible since there isn't much to do anyway. All you can do on the engine itself is change the plugs (but they must be "indexed" properly so the electrode faces the injector). Three years out of a waterpump ought to be fine for most guys too. The maintenance calculator on Evinrude's website seems to paint a pretty grim picture of what life is like for 4S owners, so I'd take its info with a grain of salt.

Now that I have my Etec, i am 100% pleased with it. I probably would have been equally pleased with a Merc 4S. My family has always had Johnson/Evinrude stuff (even Lawnboy mowers) and we have been generally happy. That said, dad currently runs a Mariner (Merc) on his boat and has never had any design related problems (although a tree fell on it and broke the cowling and screwed up the power trim electrics...). We have a 1959 merc 6 HP that is still a great little engine and still gets used, so they certainly have the pedigree to turn out good product too.

If I had to do it all over again or had to recommend a new motor, I'd go with the Etec.

Your mileage may vary,
Steve

Edit:

I forgot to mention that last season a close friend bought a new pontoon boat with a Merc 115 4S. He is entirely satisfied with the motor and I can agree from my little experience on his boat. It is very quiet (especially on a Pontoon where it is way behind you) and makes no smoke. It also seems to offer excellent fuel efficiency for such a large motor. he put almost 150 hours on it last summer and had it in to the shop for 2 oil changes (one was after break in, on was at the end of the season) and for winterization...he has no aptitude to do anything on his own and I don't know what the added costs were, but he complained quite a bit about it. But, if you can read a manual and turn a wrench, cost of ownership will be lower. Not sure if this line of OB has valves to adjust (probably not since it is so new), but might want to check.
 
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Navy Jr.

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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

Steve_In_Indiana, thanks for an excellent post comparing E-tec two-strokes to Merc four-strokes.

I couldn't agree more that any motor made today, be it Merc, E-tec, Yamaha, Honda, two-stroke or four-stroke, is a huge technological improvement over the same motors made say 10 years ago or so. With better computerized manufacturing techniques, and with new onboard computer monitoring systems, they are more efficient, more reliable and have much improved emissions.

I imagine E-tecs have a similar feature to Merc's System Control feature whereby if the onboard computer detects a serious fault (overheating, for example), it sounds a six second alarm at the helm and automatically reduces power.

As far as reliability goes, reading the owner's manual goes a long way to overall customer satisfaction. Our Merc 115 has a pretty good manual; maybe not the best, but sufficient for those of us who do oil changes in our own vehicles that we can also do the routine maintenance and winterization required on our outboards. The manual even has detailed drawings in it, so there isn't much left to the imagination. Gee, I've never owned a power boat before now, but even I think I can handle changing the oil and oil filter, air filter, low-pressure fuel filter, gear case oil, alternator belt and spark plugs.

The nice thing is access is so much easier on an outboard than it is on a transverse mounted V-6 automobile engine!
 

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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

Our Merc 115 is a 4-stroke, not an Optimax. I don't recall stating one had to manually mix the gas and oil on an e-tec, just that you need to buy the oil that is mixed with the gas. Maybe it's just me, but that just makes the cost of fueling your boat that much more.

Now, since you're back on this thread again, just exactly what were the things that went wrong with your Mercury. What model engine was it, how old was it, and how many hours did it have? It would be easier to understand your frustration with the brand if you could be more specific.

Hard starting when cold,...sometimes hard to restart after had ran awhile
after it was shut off. Had a fuel tank pickup tube break,and had to buy a whole new tank(this was the biggest issue I had with the motor). It was
a 15 HP two stroke model 15M from 2003 model year. Hours were approximately 100 hrs,...maybe less than that. In all,it was just down right
cold natured. But with their four strokes(Merc's motors,that is)being made by Tohatsu(2.5 through 30 HP),they may be far more reliable and worth being given another chance.
 

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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

I also got the 2008 Lund explorer ss and just love the darn thing to death,I was debating on getting the Honda 115 or a Merc 135 Verado,I went with the Verado and I'll tell ya this motor is the cats *** Unbeliveable power,And super quiet.Verado comes with power stearing and I added the Smartcraft at $400 its a steal as compared at $2500 if ya decide to get it later.Smartcraft adds the DTS (Digital throttle and shift)No crappyass linkage cables here,When ya put the throttle down it goes,and belive me it really goes.All the yamaha guys were bashing Merc for going with dts saying if your batt dies you have no throttle controle.So what did Yamaha do now....Add DTS to there Motors.As far as Quality goes I've owen a 40hp merc for 20yrs now without a single problem but todays motors have all the emission controles and a whole lot more crap in them that could go wrong.My dealer sells Merc,Honda,Yamaha,Johnson,Evinrude,He sells them all, I would of chosen any motor And the Honda was about $2000 more than my Merc and He talked me out of it.One more thing DON"T BABY your motor when ya break it in.You must run at WOT(Wide Open Throttle)once a minute every ten minutes for the first 2 hrs On the verado.When I bought my Honda Civic I was told to drive it hard during break in.If ya baby it during break in when ya do run at wot at a later time you have a greater chance of motor failure,Motors are built to run not sit..
Appy
 

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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

I bought a new Lund Mr. Pike last year and chose to buy my motor for a completely different reason.

I didn't want a Mercury and wanted the choice of what outboard to put on my Lund. With Lund being owned by Brunswick, obviously the dealers are being pushed to sell Brunswick owned Mercury motors. Dealers do have the option to order Lunds with a Honda, but it is usually much cheaper and more profit for them to order a Lund with a Mercury. I found a dealer that ordered a few Lunds without being rigged (pretty rare lately) and BRP got my business.
 

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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

i have had a 2 stroke merc since 96 it was problem 3 untill my dumb *** brother in law drove it into a sand bar i then got a 2000 it has been problem free since then
 
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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

Steve_In_Indiana, thanks for an excellent post comparing E-tec two-strokes to Merc four-strokes.

I couldn't agree more that any motor made today, be it Merc, E-tec, Yamaha, Honda, two-stroke or four-stroke, is a huge technological improvement over the same motors made say 10 years ago or so. With better computerized manufacturing techniques, and with new onboard computer monitoring systems, they are more efficient, more reliable and have much improved emissions.

I imagine E-tecs have a similar feature to Merc's System Control feature whereby if the onboard computer detects a serious fault (overheating, for example), it sounds a six second alarm at the helm and automatically reduces power.


THANKS.

I really like my Etec, but I have a strong suspicion that I would have been satisfied equally with a Merc, Yammi, or Honda. i think they all are lightyears ahead of what we used to have as choices.

Yep, the Evinrudes have a similar warning system that alerts the operator and reduces engine RPM (or shuts them down entirely) if a problem arises. In the case of the Etec, I think they call the system SAFE (Speed Adjusting Failssafe Electronics (or something like that)) and provide operator alerts though the new instruments or the old-style "System Check" guages.

and yes, no matter what it is:

READ the manual!

Good fishing!
Steve
 
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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

I'm a newbie here so take what I have for what it's worth. Bought my boat with the 115 Merc Four Stroke in July 02. After following the break-in procedure religously I opened her up and was greatly disappointed with the performance. Sluggish out of the hole, top end not where I felt it should be. About the only good thing at the time was fuel economy and quiet. I tried several different props on her for hole shots and top end and finally settled on an 18 pitch Vengence SS. Still not ver satisfied with the boats performance, but lived with it. I also had some low end problems with it also. When idling and then throttle up it stumbled. At times quit. When cold, even in 70 degree weather would stall when putting in gear. Had it to different dealers for work. Replace spark plugs, the whole 9-yards. Ever since I started hearing about ETEC I've been intrigued by them. After the last stall out with the Merc I finally went down and was able to test drive a boat similar to mine with a 115 ETEC on it and all I can say is WOW. I had my boat re-powered with the ETEC and I pick it back up in the morning. If this thing runs and comes out of the whole like the test boat I was able to drive, I will finally have a rig I feel good in.

Test drive the ones you are interested in if possible, and then decide. They are all good motors, I was never satisfied with the performance of a 4-stroke.
 

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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

I'm a newbie here so take what I have for what it's worth. Bought my boat with the 115 Merc Four Stroke in July 02. After following the break-in procedure religously I opened her up and was greatly disappointed with the performance. Sluggish out of the hole, top end not where I felt it should be. About the only good thing at the time was fuel economy and quiet. I tried several different props on her for hole shots and top end and finally settled on an 18 pitch Vengence SS. Still not ver satisfied with the boats performance, but lived with it. I also had some low end problems with it also. When idling and then throttle up it stumbled. At times quit. When cold, even in 70 degree weather would stall when putting in gear. Had it to different dealers for work. Replace spark plugs, the whole 9-yards. Ever since I started hearing about ETEC I've been intrigued by them. After the last stall out with the Merc I finally went down and was able to test drive a boat similar to mine with a 115 ETEC on it and all I can say is WOW. I had my boat re-powered with the ETEC and I pick it back up in the morning. If this thing runs and comes out of the whole like the test boat I was able to drive, I will finally have a rig I feel good in.

Test drive the ones you are interested in if possible, and then decide. They are all good motors, I was never satisfied with the performance of a 4-stroke.

Dropping the troublesome Mercury 4-stroke for the Evinrude E-TEC was the best choice you could have ever made. I kinda figured the four strokes are not always what they are cracked up to be compared to any two stroke.
I test ran a Honda 4S and I was not the least bit impressed with it,...sluggish
out of the hole. Four strokes have that weight problem with all the camshafts,
valves,etc. whereas you don't have those things on a two stroke. Sorry EPA,
but I am sticking with two strokes not matter what.
 

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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

I have a mercury 4s 90.It is slow out of the hole.better than a 115 tho because of better gearing.i am intrigued by the e-tec.wasn't enough history about the enviromental performance over the long hall. do all the maintenance.should be all right either way.
 

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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

Are there any new tech. motors like a/c drive motors which has no wear part internal vs d.c. motors?
 

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Re: Merc 115 vs 115 Etec

No- the last real evolution in technology came with the E-tec (in direct injection 2 stroke technology) and the Verado (in 4 stroke technology). Although there are alot of cool new things on the market, they are really not that revolutionary...
 
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