Merc 170 - Water in the Oil

rndcomp

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I have a 1987 Merc 170 I/O with what appears to be water in the oil. The engine is Fresh Water Cooled with a 4" heat exchanger. There is an after market alternator upgrade and a Mallory electronic ignition has been installed. I have been using the boat this summer and while there have been a few other problems (vapor lock, etc...) I have never experienced any water in the oil. What happened the last time out was that we let the boat idle at the dock for about 10 minutes to make sure everything was OK, and then noticed the temp start to climb. We shut the engine down and checked the coolant level in the riser and saw that it was empty. This is strange because we know that there was coolant in the riser when we left my house. Anyhow, after the coolant was added we took the boat out for less then a mile when a tannish fluid (most likely water and oil) started leaking from the engine. It appears to be leaking from a hose connection near the carb. The engine ran fine and we immediately went back to the dock.

The question is, what can be causing the fresh water to leak into the oil? My understanding is that it is usually either:

1. Cracked Block - I doubt this since it was running earlier in the summer and we are not dealing with freezing weather.

2. Bad riser / exhaust manifold - ???

Are there other things that I should be checking. My first course of action is of course to drain the oil from the crankcase and then do a compression test on each cylinder (while also checking for water on top of the cylinders).

If it was the riser / exhaust manifold, which is more likely. My understanding is that the riser (or elbow) is what sits on top of the manifold. Which one is most likely bad.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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rndcomp

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Re: Merc 170 - Water in the Oil

Thanks ziggy,

The bulletin is saying that the most likely causes are:

Intake manifold gasket
Cracked intake manifold
Cracked cylinder head
Cracked Block

At the risk of asking you to look into your crystal ball :), which is the most likely culpritt and how would I test for it. I would assume that something would have to cause the manifold, head, or block to crack, and since this happened all of the sudden, should I be looking at a manifold gasket? I would hate to think that a cylinder head or block would just crack for no reason.

Thanks in advance!
 

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Re: Merc 170 - Water in the Oil

"after the coolant was added we took the boat out for less then a mile when a tannish fluid (most likely water and oil)"


If i am reading this right you are getting coolant "antifreeze " into the oil and NOT fresh water


You can use and auto pressure tester on the heat exchanger if it fits the cap ?



Tommays
 

rndcomp

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Re: Merc 170 - Water in the Oil

tommays, yes, my best guess is that the fresh water is mixing with the oil and not raw water. I am assuming this due to the fact that the riser was empty when we were at the dock.

I am by no means a mechanic and would like to better understand how a leaking heat exchanger could allow water into the oil. I was under the impression that the heat exchanger only dealt with Fresh and Raw water.

If I were to use the pressure tester, what would I be looking for. Would I really just be listening for air leakage? But my guess is that the leak is internal to the engine and as such would not be noticeable.

Is it possible for a block to just "crack" all of the sudden. I was able to run the engine at idle for up to 20 minutes in my driveway before this happened.

Something here isn't making sense? Please help.
 

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Re: Merc 170 - Water in the Oil

If you google breezeworks or search here under 470

One of the many names for your motor a common problem is the seals on the camshaft drive water pump wear out and allow oil and antifreeze to mix


While it could be many other things this is a common place for problems ;)

The antifreeze mix" what your calling water " is real bad for the motor i would change the oil ASAP and not use the boat until you resolve the leak



Tommays
 

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Re: Merc 170 - Water in the Oil

Ironically, I had just had the cam seals replaced about 2 weeks ago. Not because they were bad but because we needed to replace the front end gaskets..... I wonder if they screwed up putting the front cam seals on. If the cam seals were bad, wouldn't I see some seepage from the weep vent though? I don't think that I have seen this in the past 2 weeks.

What is the next step in testing this problem. I agree the oil needs to come out immediatialy, and then replaced and retested. I am not sure as to where to start in troubleshooting this. I feel like I have a good idea of what 'could' be wrong, but need a little guidance on finding the exact problem.

thanks to all in advance who have offered help in this matter.
 

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Re: Merc 170 - Water in the Oil

I hate to ask this question again, but, is it possible for a block to crack (either internally or externally) all of the sudden in Virginia in the middle of August? I would like to rule out the possibility of a cracked block since that is most likely the most expensive to fix.

If it is not the block, how else could potentially large amounts water enter the oil. My guess is that a bad riser would allow 'some' water, but not a noticiable amount.

It appears that there was a good amount of coolant loss into the engine oil and I need to know what could cause this.

Thanks!
 

tommays

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Re: Merc 170 - Water in the Oil

If you pressure TEST the heat exchanger side "antifreeze" it will show if there is a leak or NOT

We kinda of know you ahve a leak as your adding coolant but this will help track it down


Then you can make the next test based on a good or bad result


You can also do a cylinder compression test and look at the condition of the sparkplugs as the appearance will change from water


Tommays
 
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