Merc 500 Carbs...How far to go?

cmayhle

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I have a (circa) 1976 Merc 500, 50 OB. Last year (With some great Forum help) I rebuilt the fuel pumps and water pump, and replaced the majority of the disintegrating engine wiring and all of the fuel line components.

It was running fine in a barrel in the driveway, and last week I decided to get it in the water and test it. When I pumped up the primer bulb, I did it pretty robustly to try and verify a good fuel supply, and suddenly gas started squirting out of the top carburetor (There are 2). I knew this was not right, but I fired it up and took it out on the lake. It seemed to warm up fine, and I ramped up the throttle. The throttle seemed to have sluggish response, but the boat planed up and was running really smooth for a couple of minutes. Then, the engine just bogged down to nothing over about 6 seconds and died.

I fairly quickly realized that the engine had flooded out, and that I could only get it started by disconnecting the fuel line. When I re-attached the line, it would flood out again.

To shorten the tale, I determined I had something happening in the squirting carb, and that these things needed to be rebuilt. I pulled off the carbs, pulled off the bowl of the squirting carb, and very quickly determined that the rigid foam float was getting stuck on the edge of the upper carb body...in comparing it to the lower carb, I determined that the upper float definitely had a problem...maybe swelled a little or something, and the hard primer pump must have jammed the oversize float into the upper carb body where it stuck "up".

OK, I am going to change the floats of course. My question is, how far do I really need to go beyond that? I saw absolutely no signs of any gunk, water, dirt, varnish etc in either carb, just pristine gas. As I said, I have already done the fuel pumps. The sticking float appears to definitely be the problem. Do I need to take the carbs completely apart anyway?
 

Mi duckdown

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Re: Merc 500 Carbs...How far to go?

If it were mine. I would clean and rebuild the carbs with all new gasket kits. Do it right the first time. But thats just ME. you should be good to go for another 30 some odd years
 

cmayhle

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Re: Merc 500 Carbs...How far to go?

If it were mine. I would clean and rebuild the carbs with all new gasket kits. Do it right the first time. But thats just ME. you should be good to go for another 30 some odd years

Yes, thanks for that Mi duckdown, that is my thought process as well. So I guess I will just have to deal with the intimidation factor of disassembling/reassembling the carburetors...but I also had to go through the same trepidation with the fuel and water pump jobs as well! As you probably know, I am not an experienced mechanic, but I can figure stuff out fairly well...with help from resources like manuals and this Forum!
 

Chris1956

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Re: Merc 500 Carbs...How far to go?

gasket kits are less than $5. Replace all gaskets. Also a good idea to replace inlet needles and seats, along with floats. Clean everything else up, adust float height and reassemble.
 

Silvertip

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Re: Merc 500 Carbs...How far to go?

You have it opened up. Do the rest of the job. You will never have a better chance.
 

cmayhle

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Re: Merc 500 Carbs...How far to go?

Thank you all for your consistent and thoughtful advice. I am going to follow it and do a complete carb rebuild.
 

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Re: Merc 500 Carbs...How far to go?

Watch for binding floats on the shafts too. When you end up reinstalling the carbs, make sure they're securely mounted so no air leaks. I'd also put in new gas filters and clean out hoses and the gas tank. Get a shop manual for the motor and follow it to the tee in servicing the carbs. Synchronize after reinstalling.
 

cmayhle

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Re: Merc 500 Carbs...How far to go?

quicktach and glenn property of pam thanks for those additional pointers. Carb videos on Youtube...great idea.
 

cmayhle

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Re: Merc 500 Carbs...How far to go?

I have my carb repair kits, and am lining up the correct parts, and have come upon a choice. For the record my motor is a Merc 500, 50 and the serial is 4418971.

There are (2) inlet needles in the kit. I have attached a photo of the (2) provided needles, as well as a photo of the carb showing the needle seat where it installs under the float.Needles.jpgNeedle Seat.jpg

The needle I took out of the carb is exactly like the needle on the left (without the spring). However, in some of the part supplier exploded drawings they show a needle more like the one on the right with a spring, and describe the part as "needle and spring". Other suppliers part name calls it "needle and seat"

I am very confused as to which I should be installing. Are these inter-changeable? It would seem like these would work very differently...but perhaps not.

In any event, the one I took out of each carb (without any spring) was working beautifully for many years...until my problems with fuel pumps and then carb float came along. Any idea which needle is correct for my carbs?

EDIT: Both of these needles seem to fit into the seat equally well.

EDIT: More information: There is a slip of paper in the repair kit (Quicksilver 1399-5199) that states:

CAUTION
The enclosed needle 102-149 will not fit the following carburetors:
BA-1A, BA-2A, BA-3A, BA-3B, BA-3C


I examined the carb bodies carefully with a bright light, and found BA-3A stamped or cast into the edge of the flange. So, apparently the 102-149 needle does not fit my carburetors. Anyone know which one is the 102-149 needle? All of the parts drawings/descriptions I have seen either show the original inlet needle number as 1399-6224 or the number that supercedes it...1395-9022
 
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cmayhle

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Re: Merc 500 Carbs...How far to go?

Update on this project, I rebuilt the carbs and finally got the opportunity to take the boat out on the lake to test. It really ran perfectly through the whole rpm/load range...purred like a very old and contented cat!

Thanks to all for the assistance!
 
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