Merc is making Changes

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I would say it is all about cost reduction.--------A really well made prop from a precision mold would not need a balance weight as big as shown.-----That process cost $ .----Adding the weight determined by a computer machine is likely cheaper.-----Public wants products they can afford.--------A lot of these modern big motors are really impressive.-------Pleasing to the eye as well.---Assembled with computer help ETC-----Can they be " rebuilt " at a shop ?------Or is it " buy a new one " as they take too much time to rebuild !
 

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Folks - This is a prop thread in the Prop section. Stay on topic or more posts will be edited or disappear.
 

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Is this idea along the same lines as their new casting process for their engines ? Saw a factory tour of their new plant. Using cutting edge high pressure casting methods to make very thin and light blocks and components. Must admit. They are well ahead of anyone else with their new outboards. Changing the game.
this new 2.1 litre merc engine I have is incredible for power be being so light. Bigger displacement than. Normal engine that or but as light as a 2 stroke.
 

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Just sticking a weight on the hub doesn't actually balance it. Two types of balance, static and dynamic. Static is that each blade weighs the same, dynamic is spin balancing (like car tires) Ideally it balances BOTH ways, and the only way to do that is to add/remove weight from specific areas on the blade itself. Anything else is a compromise.

Since the weight is really close to the center, it will take quite a bit of weight to get it to balance statically. That is going to throw dynamic balance way out.
 

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You would think that Mercury or their prop supplier / division would know everything there is to know about balancing engines and props.-----I do not believe these folks work out of a dairy barn like they used to !!!
 

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Just sticking a weight on the hub doesn't actually balance it. Two types of balance, static and dynamic. Static is that each blade weighs the same, dynamic is spin balancing (like car tires) Ideally it balances BOTH ways, and the only way to do that is to add/remove weight from specific areas on the blade itself. Anything else is a compromise.

Since the weight is really close to the center, it will take quite a bit of weight to get it to balance statically. That is going to throw dynamic balance way out.

Would you use a tire shop that pulled out a grinder to balance your wheels and tires? Would they grind on a $300 tire or $400 rim? Curious.
 

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Ten years ago I interviewed for a Sales position for a company that specialized in high tolerance injection moldings of aircraft engine (jet) parts.

The forms (shapes) they produce and the tolerances held where impressive even back then. Given the state of modern day precision molding and CNC machining /grinding, doubt it would be hard to produce a prop of sufficient quality for recreational use.

Balancing a prop isn’t rocket science
 

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Rocket Science is probably easier to understand
Not really...the physics of a prop are very well understood.

The form of the screw propeller hasn’t really changed is almost 200 years...people laugh and make fun of the Sharrow prop? Why is that? Focusing on form instead of physics?

When combining modern modeling software and manufacturing processes, the sky is the limit. Limited only by the cost to bring the product to market.

If we can cast and balance a titanium alloy fan assembly for jet turbine turning 20,000 rpm, a stainless or aluminum prop is a piece of cake.
 

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Not really...the physics of a prop are very well understood.

The form of the screw propeller hasn’t really changed is almost 200 years...people laugh and make fun of the Sharrow prop? Why is that? Focusing on form instead of physics?

When combining modern modeling software and manufacturing processes, the sky is the limit. Limited only by the cost to bring the product to market.

If we can cast and balance a titanium alloy fan assembly for jet turbine turning 20,000 rpm, a stainless or aluminum prop is a piece of cake.


I would maybe argue that of an apples and oranges comparison.
with a boat prop, there are more variables than in any other thing like it.
displacement, planing, fast planing, surfacing, hull types differing in increments of lift and resulting reduced load on the prop screwing through the water.
many will tell you that a guide is a 200 rpm gain or loss either way with each 1 inch increments of pitch. That’s not far off in general terms. But the wide ability of props these days can throw all sorts in the mix. Add prop slip of different set ups and your off track again. Add in another blade or a wider diameter too. Jeez your away on another tangent. Go from an ally 4 blade of a certain diameter and pitch to a 3 blade performance X7 alloy of the same and your guessing at it. Get a stepped hull with a flat running pad that wasn’t utilised with an ally prop, but is suddenly into play with a lifting raked prop and reducing load on the prop, allowing the rpm to climb through the roof. Lots to think about.
jet airplane engine is a fan working through a known density of small and known margins at different altitudes. I’d say it’s an easier thing to predict, if it’s even comparable at all. Different thing in my opinion.
 
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