Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

newport dave

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This one almost kicked my butt. Since last June (off and on) I have been working on a 39’ performance cruiser with twin Mercruiser 496HO / PCM555 engines. The starboard engine had an intermittent problem with momentarily losing power. The engine would “lurch” (bog for a second and then return to normal) and the alarm would sound as though you very quickly turned the key off and back on. Sometimes it would completely die. It would do it at idle or while cruising, seemed to be totally random. <br /><br />Connecting a scan tool was first. There were no active or stored codes that helped any. I wanted to watch what happened on the scan tool when the power loss occurred, but every time the engine would lurch the scan tool would instantly lose communication. The fact that the scan tool would lose communication suggested that the ECM was losing power.<br /><br />I began a long process of checking the entire electrical system from the battery to the key switch and back to the engine. It came down to the ECM appeared to be shutting down and/or disengaging the main power relay for no reason. I thought it must be the connections at the relay and/or ECM, but they all were good. I thought it HAD to be the ECM. Swapped it with the other engine thinking the problem would switch engines – it did not.<br /><br />What now? I have checked everything I could think of, tried every troubleshooting procedure in the PCM555 manual, tested and/or swapped out anything that I thought even might be causing the problem, and no change at all! <br /><br />I finally did find the problem by pure dumb luck. It was something I never even would have guessed. Anybody think they have an idea?<br /><br />Dave
 

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

I'd go back,+ Clean/Check All of the Ground System..........<br />Especially the ECM Ground.......
 

newport dave

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

All power and ground connections were verified multiple times. It was not a grounding or connection problem.<br /><br />Dave
 

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Well,........<br /><br />You say you're Loosing Power...........<br />You say it's Not the ECM......<br />You say it's Random.......<br /><br />I say, Go Back,+ do the Shake/Wiggle/Pull at All the Wires Test.........<br /><br />It Sounds like you've got a Broken/Loose Wire........<br /><br />I've had issues that the wire tested Great with a meter,+ Failed at Working......<br />The Shake/Wiggle/Pull at All the Wires Test Eventually Found the wire which had Corroded Inside it's casing............
 

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

Wiggled, poked, twisted, shook, tapped, you name it, I did it. I thought that the ECM or main power relay MUST be losing power. Connected a graphing/recording multimeter to the power supply for both, when the problem occurred there was no interruption of power. At that point, I thought there was no question it was a bad ECM or relay. Swapped out both, didn't do a thing.<br /><br />Dave
 

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

when the problem occurred there was no interruption of power.
How about the ECM Ground ?????
 

newport dave

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

Removed connectors to the ecm and checked, rechecked, and checked again all ground circuits. Tried a jumper wire to the ECM case. Found no problems.<br /><br />I started to really stress out at this point. It seemed there was NO explaination. What else could it possibly be???? <br /><br />Dave
 

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

Um... are you ever going to tell us?
 

newport dave

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

Rabidfish,<br />I will post the answer tonight. I was just curious to see if anyone would figure this out. I will tell you this:<br /><br />The problem was:<br /><br />NOT fuel related<br />NOT due to an open, shorted or otherwise bad connection in any of the power or ground circuits<br />NOT due to a bad sensor, relay, or ECM<br /><br />Dave
 

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

Since it's not in the circuits, I suppose it's not a fuse then?<br /><br />Obviously, something is interrupting the ECM/power.<br /><br />Or... not so obviously...
 

newport dave

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

Nope not a fuse. <br /><br />Sorry to drag this out, but I spent six months trying to find this freaking problem, and I didn't want to give it up right away.<br /><br />Dave
 

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

how about a neutral safty switch, that's broke or intermitant or a corroded ign. switch...... just wanted to guess.
 

newport dave

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

Originally posted by Rabidfish:<br /> Obviously, something is interrupting the ECM/power.<br /><br />Or... not so obviously...
Your getting warm.<br /><br />ziggy,<br />It's not the ignition switch, neutral safety switch or lanyard switch.<br /><br />Dave
 

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

Tell me... surely there isn't a shift interrupter on this engine???<br />How would it have gotten there?<br />That would mean it got an "Alpha" shift bracket...
 

newport dave

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

No shift interrupt switch or "in gear" sensor on this engine.<br /><br />Dave
 

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

Not the question, I know... But it should have a "in gear" switch/sensor for the "Guardian" to prevent over-rev in nuetral. Isn't that on all the 555 controllers?
 

newport dave

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

The early 496's (like this one) did not have the "in gear" sensor. The ECM thought it was always in gear.<br /><br />Dave
 

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

Hmmm... learned something today then didn't I !
 

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

last one I did on a new 28 carolina classic was a stripped terminal on the ign switch. it would occasionally do a momentary shutdown then the alarm would self test. I told the marina owner it would store no code cause the stupid puter would see all being normal. had to take laptop readings anyway. and yep,no codes. took almost 5 hours with an analog meter going through the wiring and water testing to find it. but a momentary loss of 12v feed will shut it down then cause the alarm system to self test. the smart computers dont know the difference between keyswitch cycling or an open circuit. but it was a pain to find cuase it was hard to make it repeat. the old trusty analog would catch the momentary loss and the digital wont.
 

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Re: Mercruiser 496 HO - Difficult Diagnosis

How about a wild guess? Oil psi sending switch?
 
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