Mercruiser change update

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wheels4

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Hello,Some of you may rember that back in December I posted a message about changing the engine in my boat that was given to me.I was going to put the 327 from my camaro in in place of the siezed 305.Some agreed some disagreed.I ended up telling a guy at work what I was doing and he said he had a rebuilt 305 in his shed.I went and looked at it and ended up buying it for 300 bucks.I get it home take the valve covers off and find comp cams roller rockers.(Bonus)Take plugs from exhaust ports and see the heads had some work done to them.(Bonus)I ask the guy at work about this and he has no idea.He had bought a bunch of stuff from his brother in law who worked at a chevy dealer.So I install new engine with new exhaust manifolds and risers.Went through the out drive with a new friend(boat mechanic)Bought a fish finder a VHF installed a cd player (from camaro)that is now being restored and have used the boat every weekend since May.Weather permitting.I now have a 21 foot eagle sport fish boat for $2300 and Im enjoying life.To everyone that helped me I would like to send a very big Thank You.To the people that said an auotmotive engine wouldnt work Ill see you on the water.With stripped bass,fluke and bluefish comeing over the side and pulling my 9yr. old daughter on the tube this is wheels4 saying thanks again.
 

Trent

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Hope you used a Marine cam..!Hope you dont suck in water thru the exhaust. It will work for awhile if you did not. Power curve on a marine engine is different. Dont put her in saltwater.<br /><br />Glad your having fun!! :) <br />Now go out their and make some memories for your daughter! :)
 

wheels4

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Nope didnt use marine cam used an RV Towing cam according to comp cams #.Im not worried about sucking water into exhaust how would this happen?.Ive run me jeep with water over engine and as long as you keep it running water cannot get in. With a boat engine is above the water so how can it get in? This is what Im talking about.Some say it will work some say it will not.I guarantee an automotive engine will work.Also yes it is in salt water. Just use brass freeze plugs and stainless head gaskets.My new friend(marine mechanic)says to many people listen to the guys at the boat yards spend more money then necessary and end up with the same products.A word to the wise you cannot believe everything you hear.Use common sense forged steel is forged steel.Accept the japanese crap.Wouldnt use that in my lawn mower.Happy Boating,wheels
 

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No disrespect to your boat mechanic..But if you are at speed and have to stop..Water can come up the exhaust!!!! Thats why the marine cams have a different lobe degree!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />DIFFERENCES BETWEEN AUTOMOTIVE & MARINE ENGINES <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Below you will find information on some of the differences between Automotive & Marine Engines. We do not claim to be experts in all fields. Nor can we promise to be correct on all issues. Nor can we address the content of these pages. (Please read our legal disclaimer page)<br /><br />But, I hope you will find this page useful. We want to thank Sierra Marine for their technical assistance with this page. Sierra is a supplier of gaskets and aftermarket parts to Dolphin Marine Service. <br /> <br /> SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN AUTOMOTIVE & MARINE ENGINES<br /><br />For those of us in the marine industry, a common occurrence is to be questioned by customers about auto vs. marine parts. A common scenario is to have a customer ask for a replacement part for his boat. The part in question is a starter for a 350 cu.in. GM block. You give the customer a price, and he looks at you with a blank look on his face. He, then states (very angrily) "I can get one at the local auto retailer for $29.95". <br /><br />In the marine industry, this little scenario occurs all the time. Many boaters are unaware of the difference between an automotive and a marine engine and their respective accessories. The most notable differences include the exhaust systems, the cooling systems, the electrical systems, and the fuel systems. Additionally, items such as heads and cams are usually different. For the purpose of this article, we will only be hitting the highlights on select systems. <br /><br />In regard to the cooling systems, one of the major differences is found in the water-circulating pump. This is especially noticable when you have a raw water cooled engine. Unlike their automotive counterpart, a marine pump works in an open cooling system. This type of system is extremely corrosive to the pump. Therefore, the pump must be altered for longevity. A marine pump has a special ceramic seal, stainless steel backing plate, and a bronze impeller to resist corrosion. An automotive style pump, with its stamped steel impeller, would fail due to corrosion in a short time.<br /><br />The electrical systems in a marine application are also extremely specialized. In an automobile, any gasoline vapors that accumulate will readily dissipate through the bottom of the engine compartment. However, a boat with its sealed engine compartment, does not have that luxury. Therefore, any spark could literally cause a boat to explode. All electrical components in a boat are either completely sealed or specially vented to prevent such a catastrophe. This includes the starter, alternator, distributor, and many other engine electrical components. <br /><br />Carburetors typically have what is known in the industry as J type fuel bowls. These allow for the extreme vibration, pitching and yawl experienced on boats. This allows fuel to be drawn in exteme conditions and keeps fuel from being ejected from the carburetor barrels.<br /><br />Heads and cams are set up for a completly different torque curve. A marine engine must develop most of its torque on the low end of throttle range. This allows for the ability to use a single gear transmition system. Think of it this way:<br />You get in your car<br />Start it up<br />Drive to the highway<br />Put your foot to the floor and hold it there for an hour<br />Its a little different, well for most of us.<br /><br />Although we have only briefly touched on some of the differences between an automotive and marine application; hopefully, it will serve to remind us that there is a difference, and that the reasons for these differences need to be shared with our customers and friends in the boating community. Hopefully, when shared, this information can eliminate some of the "blank stares" in regards to parts, and maybe prevent some dangerious situations.
 

wheels4

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Trent,I feel sorry for people that listen to marine mechanics and buy into there line of crap.Water entering your exhaust when you have to slow down has nothing to do with your cam.Thats just plain crazy.You do want a good low RPM cam which is an RV towing cam.Heads,block,crank,rods and pistons that are used in marine apps. are the same as the auto. industry.Just run some casting#s and you will see that I researched this before I just put a car engine in.Yes all electronics have to be marine application but not the Hard engine parts.I.E block,heads,cam,intake,crank,rods,pistons,oil pump,although you should use a windage tray.<br /> Seeing how the marine mechanic behind me has been there for 27 years I think I will keep following his advice.Hes a great guy very honest which is very hard to find.Im sure we could keep going back and fourth until we are blue in the face.Fact is the boat runs great and as long as I dont neglect the regular maintenance Im sure it will run for a long time even with a $300 auto engine.
 

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I only know what Iv seen and from experience. Hope you have many hours of pleasure!
 

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I don't think most of the places that you think are giving you a line of crap instead I think that they are giving you the right and safest way to do it, you see that engine might work in your boat for now, but if it were marine would it get on plane much faster with less work? and there are two classifications of people out there working on boats, marine mechanics and cobbers, you make the call,,,, just my opinion,, have a great day,,
 

wheels4

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The boat planes rather quickly.Its 21ft. and pulls a skier up out of the water like nothing.Ill just use this junk until it dies then buy a new mercruiser I guess.Redwolf where in the adirondacks do you live? I used to live on the Sacandoga lake in Edinburg.Great place to live.I miss it up there I moved to L.I to find work.Still go back all the time to visit my mom.I hope to buy a second home up there soon.Take care,Wheels
 

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A 305 GM long block with the addition of brass freeze plugs, SS head gaskets and an RV/Marine cam is a marine long block. Now we add a marine circ pump, fuel pump, carb, starter and alternator to complete the marine engine. We hook it up to the drive and exhaust system in the boat. The exhaust system, if maintained, does have flappers to prevent water intrusion.<br />There is no difference in the casting of a marine block and a vehicle block.
 

wheels4

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Finally someone who actually agrees with me.<br /> Thank You,Wheels
 

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wheels4. You have never ran across my posts have you. I am the black sheep on this board. It is nice to see threes others out there like me. Stand your ground. Like said before block,heads etc are the same. Its the bolt ons (carb,starter,alt,exhaust) that are different. The cams that are "marine" are spec ed (lobe/lift) for boats. This is for people that don't understand lobe and lift. "It says marine,it must be right". Ya right and mild. Once you know the specs they are interchangeable. I have to say I wouldn't use the one from your camaro(set up for high end HP) but I would use one that was "auto parts" like you did . I personally used a Crain energigizer 272/272, you couldn't find a "marine" cam for a 315 HP 360 Chrysler. Also if you are using the original exhaust system you don't have to worry about water. With that kind of in your face replies you have to from NY.
 
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