Mercury 150XL Hard Starting

DTL504

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I have been experiencing this for a while but today was more than usual. I primed and turn the key it sound like the soleniod send the signal to the starter but after 2-3 seconds I get a humming sound without the starter spining the engine. I run a AGM 24 group size dual battery setup fully charged.

If this was a car I would say the Solenoid is going bad, but marine may be a differnt horse. Can anyone shed some light.

Thanks
 

hkeiner

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Re: Mercury 150XL Hard Starting

It is hard to know what the problem may be without actuallly hearing the "humming" sound and seeing what is going on, so I suggest that you take a look under the cowel and see if the starter gear is engaging the flywheel gears when you try to start the motor. If the starter gear is spinning but does not rise up and engage the flywheel gears, you might try lubing the starter gear shaft with some oil to see if that loosens things up. If the starter is humming but the starter gear is not turning, then you may have a mechanical problem with a starter component. Tell us what you see when try to start the motor and hear the humming and you will likely get a better answer. Good luck.
 

DTL504

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Re: Mercury 150XL Hard Starting

It is hard to know what the problem may be without actuallly hearing the "humming" sound and seeing what is going on, so I suggest that you take a look under the cowel and see if the starter gear is engaging the flywheel gears when you try to start the motor. If the starter gear is spinning but does not rise up and engage the flywheel gears, you might try lubing the starter gear shaft with some oil to see if that loosens things up. If the starter is humming but the starter gear is not turning, then you may have a mechanical problem with a starter component. Tell us what you see when try to start the motor and hear the humming and you will likely get a better answer. Good luck.

Hooked up the water hose, prime/choke engine and had my wife
start the motor whileI watch to see if the starter was not kicking out. She
fired up without a problem everytime. When you want something to fail it dss but when I hit the water this weekend I know I will experience the same olde problem. I did lubercate the starter gear w/ WD 40just in case she was sticking.
 

maxturbo

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Re: Mercury 150XL Hard Starting

I have the same problem at times. Mine is also a 150xl. I removed the cowl to inspect when it happened. The hum noise sounds like its coming from the starter. I do see the gear come up and turn the flywheel. But it looks as if there isnt enough power to turn the engine over and thats when the hum noise comes in when the starter gear comes back down.
My batteries which is the same as yours. Are fully charged as well.
One time I had the motor idleing and my brother squeezed the fuel primer to try to give it more fuel for some reason. And the motor shut off. probably cause it got flooded. It took me over 15 min. to get it started it kept making the same hum noise. For me to finally start it I had to hold the throttle linkages at wot. Brother started motor and it fired right up i had to feather the throttle linkage so it wouldnt stall. and boy did it smoke like a *****. With all the unburned fuel in the system.
Im wondering if the problem is the starter or fuel related or something else.
Its scary when ur out in the ocean and it doesnt start. And all u hear is that dam hum. :(
 

DTL504

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Re: Mercury 150XL Hard Starting

I have the same problem at times. Mine is also a 150xl. I removed the cowl to inspect when it happened. The hum noise sounds like its coming from the starter. I do see the gear come up and turn the flywheel. But it looks as if there isnt enough power to turn the engine over and thats when the hum noise comes in when the starter gear comes back down.
My batteries which is the same as yours. Are fully charged as well.
One time I had the motor idleing and my brother squeezed the fuel primer to try to give it more fuel for some reason. And the motor shut off. probably cause it got flooded. It took me over 15 min. to get it started it kept making the same hum noise. For me to finally start it I had to hold the throttle linkages at wot. Brother started motor and it fired right up i had to feather the throttle linkage so it wouldnt stall. and boy did it smoke like a *****. With all the unburned fuel in the system.
Im wondering if the problem is the starter or fuel related or something else.
Its scary when ur out in the ocean and it doesnt start. And all u hear is that dam hum. :(


Yes Sir,

That's the problem I have... Hopefully after adding a little WD 40 to the gear drive it prevent this. I will be going out this Saturday and see what see do. Today I could not get her to make the noise for some strange reason. You hit it right on the head with " it sound like the battery do not have enough jucie."


Try This:

Mercury outboards are one of the most popular outboards on the water. They are dependable, powerful and relatively quiet. They make high-quality, high-performance one and two-stroke engines. However, they don't always fire right up when you try to start them. There's a few things you need to know before they'll turn over.

Step 1.
Ensure there is plenty of gas in the boat fuel tanks.

Step 2.
Check your oil level and battery levels by looking at the console gauges. If either one is low, replace as needed.

Step 3.
Squeeze the primer bulbs on the hose that leads up to the outboard engines. Give them about five solid pumps. This sends fuel into the engine so it will take a spark.

Step 4.
Put the boat into neutral and insert your key into the ignition. Then push forward on the key several times.

Step 5.
Turn the key until the outboard turns over. You might notice that it chokes or is slow in starting. If it has trouble like this, move to step five.

Step 6.
Add ethanol treatment for outboard engines. This helps the engine deal with gasoline that has high ethanol content (up to 10 percent). Ethanol is an alcohol and a solvent that doesn't react well with outboard engines due to the fact that there is more moisture allowed into an outboard. It can also create sludge and deposits in outboards.
 

maxturbo

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Re: Mercury 150XL Hard Starting

Yes Sir,

That's the problem I have... Hopefully after adding a little WD 40 to the gear drive it prevent this. I will be going out this Saturday and see what see do. Today I could not get her to make the noise for some strange reason. You hit it right on the head with " it sound like the battery do not have enough jucie."


Try This:

Mercury outboards are one of the most popular outboards on the water. They are dependable, powerful and relatively quiet. They make high-quality, high-performance one and two-stroke engines. However, they don't always fire right up when you try to start them. There's a few things you need to know before they'll turn over.

Step 1.
Ensure there is plenty of gas in the boat fuel tanks.

Step 2.
Check your oil level and battery levels by looking at the console gauges. If either one is low, replace as needed.

Step 3.
Squeeze the primer bulbs on the hose that leads up to the outboard engines. Give them about five solid pumps. This sends fuel into the engine so it will take a spark.

Step 4.
Put the boat into neutral and insert your key into the ignition. Then push forward on the key several times.

Step 5.
Turn the key until the outboard turns over. You might notice that it chokes or is slow in starting. If it has trouble like this, move to step five.

Step 6.
Add ethanol treatment for outboard engines. This helps the engine deal with gasoline that has high ethanol content (up to 10 percent). Ethanol is an alcohol and a solvent that doesn't react well with outboard engines due to the fact that there is more moisture allowed into an outboard. It can also create sludge and deposits in outboards.

All of the above have been done. I even installing battery gauges that checks each batt.to make sure. And I have a solar panel hooked up to keep them fully charged. the only thing i dont do with the fuel bulb primer is pump it when its hard. Cause i know the gas is there. IF it feels soft than ill give it a squeeze. Learned the hard way if giving it to much engine takes alot longer to start. And I even use 93 oct.
But I still get that hum when it doesnt start.
 

Sandjob

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Re: Mercury 150XL Hard Starting

Sounds like the brushes need to be cleaned in the starter. Electrical motor shops can rebuild them pretty cheap and clean brushes. If you store your boat alot this can be pretty common.-Just had mine cleaned 3 weeks ago
 

maxturbo

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Re: Mercury 150XL Hard Starting

Sounds like the brushes need to be cleaned in the starter. Electrical motor shops can rebuild them pretty cheap and clean brushes. If you store your boat alot this can be pretty common.-Just had mine cleaned 3 weeks ago

Dont the brushes wear on these marine starters?
I know on cars they do i use to replace them.
Maybe ill just replace the starter. I was just wondering if it was anything else causing it.
Oh yea the boat is stored in the winter months. And in the water in the spring summer months.
 

hkeiner

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maxturbo

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Re: Mercury 150XL Hard Starting

If it is an intermittent problem, it will be frustrating and hard to diagnose until you can troubleshoot the system while it is acting up. If you do get that opportunity, the attached linked troubleshooting guide may help you find the problem.


http://forums.iboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26803&d=1240510980

http://forums.iboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26804&d=1240510999

http://forums.iboats.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26805&d=1240511009

Thank you for your help. I think next time it happens im going to bring a volt meter and check to see what my voltage is when the starter engages the flywheel.
The second pinpoint test you have. Says when starter doesnt engage. My problem is the starter does engage just doesnt look like it has enough power to turn the flywheel to get it started. Now I dont know if its the starter thats acting up or if its something else.
 

hkeiner

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Re: Mercury 150XL Hard Starting

The voltage and ohm tests will help determine if you have problems with the wiring circuits (bad ground, bad connections, bad switch, etc.) or problems with the starter itself. If you confirm that the voltages and ohms tests are all within spec, then you could probably conclude that the starter itself is bad. If so, it may likely be the starter brushes, as previously suggested, or it may be other starter components. Troubleshooting the starter motor itself would be the next thing to do. If you get that far, you may find many starter troubleshooting guides on the web. I think that the troubleshooting tests for automotive starter motors would be the same.
 

DTL504

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Re: Mercury 150XL Hard Starting

I was able to watch the starter the today after returning from a fishing trip and flushing the engine. Whats happening is the starter is not engaging the flywheel. The starter is not raising up to engage into the flywheel, it just spins in the down position.
 

Sandjob

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Re: Mercury 150XL Hard Starting

Have it rebuilt or get a new one. Mine wouldn't raise either. Had the brushes cleaned and greased it up and now it is fine.
 
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