Mercury 2005 115 HP ELPTO - 2200 RPM at full throttle, surges to 5000 RPM.

Nathan Bond

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Was out on the lake today. When ready to go in for the day, boat started right up. I was running about 1800 rpm past several anchored boaters and the boat died as if it ran out of fuel. Tried restarting several times. It finally started, with the throttle in the open wide position. Even with the throttle wide open, it was only running about 2200 rpm. Decided to try to limp back to the marina that way.

On the two mile trip back, it would surge to full throttle for a few seconds, then drop back to 2200 rpm. As I got closer to the marina, the full throttle surges would last longer, and the drops to 2200 rpm shorter.

I just replaced the fuel filter, primer bulb (with a quicksilver one), and fuel lines from the fuel tank all the way to the carbs this week. (they were 8 years old an the grey fuel lines were breaking down from ethanol). It ran fine Wednesday and Thursday evenings for about an hour each and worked fine this morning on the half-hour trip to where we were.

Does this sound like perhaps an air leak in one of the fuel line connections?

Nathan
 

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I had similar fuel line problems, same OEM parts as yours, and replaced all what you did plus the fuel pump about a year or so ago. I removed the carbs on my 2002 90 3 cyl and found some black debris in the high speed jet of one of the 3 carbs and more in the low speed area of another. Since things were ok prior to your work, one can only speculate that a piece of crud between the filter and the carbs got into one or more of your carbs. On checking the fuel pump troubleshooting, when the engine falters, squeeze the bulb to force fuel into the engine eliminating the pump. If it recovers then get a kit for the pump.

Ignition modules failing/bad grounds could do that too, but with what you said, I'd stick with fuel for now.

Mark
 

Texasmark

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I had similar fuel line problems, same OEM parts as yours, and replaced all what you did plus the fuel pump about a year or so ago. I removed the carbs on my 2002 90 3 cyl and found some black debris in the high speed jet of one of the 3 carbs and more in the low speed area of another. Since things were ok prior to your work, one can only speculate that a piece of crud between the filter and the carbs got into one or more of your carbs. On checking the fuel pump troubleshooting, when the engine falters, squeeze the bulb to force fuel into the engine eliminating the pump. If it recovers then get a kit for the pump.

Ignition modules failing/bad grounds could do that too, but with what you said, I'd stick with fuel for now.

Mark
 

Nathan Bond

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I went out to the marina today and tried it out. It was difficult to start, and wouldn't idle less than about 1300 rpm. As it would start to stall, I would pump the primer bulb and that didn't seem to help, the primer bulb was completely firm and what little squeezing I could do didn't seem to make a difference. Pushing the key in would help somewhat, but eventually it would just die on it's own, if I didn't keep the throttle above around 1500 rpm. Prior to this (and after the work) it would start with one crank and idle smooth at 800 rpm on it's own. In fact, when I started it up yesterday to come back home from our day at the lake, it fired right up and idled clean at 800 rpm for several minutes while we pulled our anchor lines in.

I did double check all the fuel connections today, as well. All are tight. I'm a little stumped on this on. Since the fuel pump is before the fuel filter, and there was a lot of junk in the filter from the fuel lines connected to the primer bulb breaking down, I'm sure there has to be junk it it. I've already ordered a kit to rebuild it.
 

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Went back to out to the marina and messed with it today. It would start, but wouldn't idle unless I continued to give it 1-second key presses. Primer bulb was very soft, as if there was very little fuel in it. I did bypass the regular fuel tank and used a gas can to rule out tank/anti-siphon value issues.

I guess I'll start with the fuel pump and work my way up to the carbs, unless anyone has other suggestions.
 

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Rebuilt the fuel pump... same result. Checked spark on all 4 cylinders with a gap testing tool, nice hot spark on all. Then, while pumping the primer bulb to check for air leaks around the fuel pump I had just re-installed, the molded fuel hose that feeds the fuel pump blew a fuel leak, right at the junction where the oil line check value sits. Maybe it was leaking air there prior? It's a very flimsy hose.
 

Nathan Bond

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Was out on the lake today. When ready to go in for the day, boat started right up. I was running about 1800 rpm past several anchored boaters and the boat died as if it ran out of fuel. Tried restarting several times. It finally started, with the throttle in the open wide position. Even with the throttle wide open, it was only running about 2200 rpm. Decided to try to limp back to the marina that way.

I just replaced the fuel filter, primer bulb (with a quicksilver one), and fuel lines from the fuel tank all the way to the carbs this week. (they were 8 years old an the grey fuel lines were breaking down from ethanol). It ran fine Wednesday and Thursday evenings for about an hour each and worked fine this morning on the half-hour trip to where we were.

Does this sound like perhaps an air leak in one of the fuel line connections?

Nathan


Well, I think I may have found the problem... so I am going to post an outline of what I found, and what happened in the event that it may help someone.

It started because the boat was running rough at idle and hadn't been run for a couple of years.

I replace the primer bulb w/fuel lines because ethanol had eaten up the factor gray ones. (Thanks to whomever posted pictures of that online!)
Replaced the fuel filter, too, as it had pieces of the broken down fuel line in it.
Also drained the old fuel and put in new spark plugs plugs.

The boat ran GREAT for about 2 hours, then acted up with the symptoms that started this thread.

So, I checked spark, etc, to make sure it wasn't an ignition problem. Everything looked good.
Ran off an auxillary tank to rule out vent and anti-siphon valve. No change.
Checked all the fuel lines for leaks. No change.


So, I figured if the fuel lines had broken down and filled the fuel filter, there was probably junk in the fuel pump, so I rebuilt that. And i was right, it was junked up pretty well. Unfortunately, no change.

Worse yet, I pumped up the primer bulb to check for leaks and blew the small hose that where the oil is added to the fuel line right before the fuel pump.

Since everything pointed to a fuel issue, I decided it must be in the carbs. I now had time to kill since I blew the hose right before the fuel line, so decided today was the day to pull the carbs and check them.

When I pulled the attenuator plate, it exposed the 1 to 2 inches of fuel line I couldn't see before.

That section of fuel line (which incidently is the hose that I blew when pumping the primer bulb...) had a 180 degree twist in it!

Here's what I think happened:

The marine fuel line I purchased to replace the primer (the tank and engine connections are clamped on, not quick connect), is extremely thick. It has a rather large OD. So, I had to work really hard to get the fuel line onto the hose barb at the engine. I think I probably ended up slightly twisting the fuel line at that time.
Then, on the day everything went south, I picked up the primer bulb and twisted it to point the arrow up for priming, and probably twisted the line badly just under the cowling,

I have to wait for the replacement part (it's not a regular fuel line, it has two molded in connections coming off it for the oil line and fuel enrichment circuit), so I pulled the carbs anyway. They were very, very clean.

I am really, really surprised at how flimsy this short piece of fuel line is (after all, it blew out from priming the bulb, though I suppose ethanol could have broken it down).

But, bottom line, there was a huge twist in the fuel line in the one blind spot where the fuel line couldn't be visibly check for integrity.

Once I get the replacement in, I'll post back to confirm if that was the problem, but I'm pretty convinced.
 

Nathan Bond

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Once I get the replacement in, I'll post back to confirm if that was the problem, but I'm pretty convinced.

Cleaned the carbs, re-installed them and replaced the short molded hose that blew (and had the twist in it )

Now runs like new. Pretty impressed I did all that while sitting on the transom (boat is in a slip).
 
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