Metal flake paints

LubeDude

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BCO 128:<br /><br />Never thought much about it. I wonder why I do that? Youre on the ball for catching it. There, hows that?<br /><br />Bondo, we are kidding about the, "blowing the flake on " arnt we?
 

Bondo

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I Guess it would depend on the "Effect" you're looking for.....<br />Heck, It's Maximerc's Idea.... :)
 

Bco128

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heres a thought use one of those wal mart siphon feed sand blaster you can get for 15 bucks.that orta do it.doubt i would like the effect.think it would be patchy at best.have one of those blasters and they always get glogged then clear without warning.bad idea.as far as undercoating gun.used one at work.( i build school busses)they may be large enouph to handle the flake put but dont think a siphon would work there for the same reason as the sand blaster.any moisture will affect the flow of material.and trying it with a paint may not give the desired affect.thinking ill need to go to a paint shop and see about getting some new nozzels for a gun.need to go get a gravity gun as well.syphon is good for primer but i really prefer gravity feed for paint.pattern is more consistant and predictable.i can get one for about 65 but will need diff nozzel fo it.have to go look.
 

Bco128

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oh and lube on the punctuaton.im ex miltary so fairly observent.live longer that way.
 

MrBill

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BCO...Thought I would respond now and try to get the name of the manufacturer later. There are definately metal flake paints on the market. A few years back I 'painted' a custom motorcycle frame. The stuff I used was a lacquer three-part system that was fantastic and also good for above water-line uses on boats. The first part was a base color color coat applied over primer. The second part of the system was clear (thin) lacquer with suspended metal flakes. And the third part of the system was clear lacquer coat. The first two parts of the 3 needed to be color matched (ie. blue base with blue metal flake) the third clear coat part is used for all colors. <br /><br />The good news about true lacquers is that clear coat drips, runs and imperfectrions can be lightly sanded out and waxed/buffed. I'll try to respond with manufacturer of the above mentioned metalflake system.
 

Ryoken

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hopefully i wont start any wars with this one, but just some observations from someone who painted 20 cars a week for 4 years in a highend bodyshop and worked in a restoration shop prior to that.. probably 3000 to 4000 cars painted in one form or another, including 100's of gallons of Imron on fleet cement mixers and boats.. <br /><br />Lubedudes asessment earlier of how to do this repair is correct. although i am not a proponent of Dupont products other than Imron... amazing how a 25 yr old paint can maintain that long... although i still use Imron, i can no longer support Dupont after there whole Chromabase garbage they pulled years ago.. and as of late i've heard of some questionable things concerning the Nason line from friends in the industry, tho i can't vouche for that personally... i stick strictly to Glasurit and PPG products these days..<br /><br />just some sidenotes of interest, this thought that metallics can only be added to paint is incorrect. car colors are mixed from base tints according to weight.. there are various "silvers" that are defined as fine, medium, course, extra course, etc that are the basis for all standard metallics in auto finish. showcars and customs may have flake added, but no production car does.<br /><br />as far as pearls go.. there seems to be a misconception here that a "pearl" paint job is always the flip flop type look that you see with white Lexus's, etc.. a 3 stage paint system. this is incorrect. many colors have pearl directly in the base color as one of the tints. as a matter of fact, my chevelle below is a custom blue done like that. 3qrts blue pearl, 1 qrt 548 blue, 1 qt 427 blue.. then cleared. it turns purple under sodium lights at night, an unforeseen side effect of all that pearl. ;) <br /><br />most of the large metalflake, custom jobs, as seen in showcars, bassboats, etc are done by what was mentioned in previous posts. in a 3 stage system, color, flaked clear, clear... this can be achieved thru needle and cap sizing... whether gel or paint... this can and is often done with urethane. <br /><br />i would not recommend anyone put lacquer of any type on any marine application. matter of fact, i don't recommend lacquer for any project anymore. it's a misconception that you can only achieve a killer show paint job with lacquer. yes, some classes of show cars, etc are better done in laquer because that is the look you are trying to achieve. but alot of oldschoolers have a misconception that a urethane cannot achieve the "depth" or "luster" of a lacquer job. and that just isn't the case. let alone the fact that urethane is 1000 times more durable... also urethane can be worked just as effectively as lacquer when it comes to runs, drips, buffing, etc... the only advantage to lacquer is its rediculous ease of use as opposed to a urethane.<br /><br />
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LubeDude

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Ryoken:<br /><br />You Nailed it!! From now on well call ya, "PaintDude"!! :D :D
 

Ryoken

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you seem pretty informed yourself young man ;) <br /><br />i don't spray many cars these days, maybe 1 or 2 a year for friends.. so i'm a tad out of the loop over the last 5 years. but i do a ton of gel work and paintwork on boats these days. <br /><br />one thing that has worked out for me is the fact i come from a collision/resto background and was able to develop an eye for color matching, as you probably know, an exceptionally important trait for a gel guy... generally no blending on boats ;) <br /><br />mind if i ask what you do? you seem to have a wide variety of knowledge, something a jack of all trades like me can appreciate..
 

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What do I do?? Hmmmmmm!<br /><br />Well I also came from an Auto body back ground. Worked on line doing Heavy Collision work for about 25 years, Finally my body told me it had had enough of the solvents and such and I had to separate myself from it! Being an auto body type person made me a Jack of all trades type of person, as you have to know everything, Paint, welding, frame, alignment, electrical and on and on. I really feel there isnt much I cant do, given the right manual and advice. I feel that if a man made it I can repair it! Im 55 now and am a Property manager for a very lucrative Lawyer in town, Mostly maintaining a rather large car collection! About 75% Cars and 25% Property.<br /><br />My life in a nut shell!
 

Ryoken

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cool, sounds like you have a fun gig going on now..<br /><br />i can relate to the jack of all trade aspect.. started out doing resto's for a major concrete company here in Jersey. learned everything from sandblasting mixers to full sheetmetal replacement on cabs, tons of mig and arc, hydraulics, glasswork, painting, etc... great learning experience..<br /><br />we did restos on all the fleet vehicles (mixers, dumps, dozer) and all my rich bosses personal projects. ground ups on old vettes, buicks, airplanes, etc...<br /><br />i then went into collision, quarters, frame straightening, and tons of painting... then ran a detail outfit for awhile, painting and detailing boats and cars..<br /><br />been a marine mechanic about 13 yrs now. everything but outdrives and outboards, and thats only cuz i feel i have to draw the line somewhere ;) getting a little sick of it physically, go home pretty bloody and battered alot.. <br /><br />i'd like to find something a little more desk orientated at some point in the future.. maybe some sort of service manager type gig or something.. early 40's here, but after 6 knee surgeries, have the knees of an 80 yr old, doh ;) <br /><br />hehe, mine in a nutshell too...<br /><br />my apologies to all for the thread hijack...
 

LubeDude

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Hey, even more in common, Ive had four knee surguries myself. Where you located?
 

Ryoken

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Jersey shore here.. yeah, 2 full ACL's and 4 cartilidge, ligament stitch up gigs... you?<br /><br />my injuries are definitely self-induced. some people ski, some mt bike, i skateboard in empty swimming pools. was a pro back in the late 70's and it will always be a passion for me. tho in recent years i've toned it down dramatically. heres a shot of me at 40 in the summer of 02 at a local pool.<br />
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<br /><br />Oregon huh? lot of great skateparks out there ;) rain too from what i here...
 

LubeDude

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Ya, my son used to skate alot, untill he broke his ankle. He was 22 when he did it. <br /><br />Ya, it rains, but that is what makes the state so beautiful. Ive never had to shovel any of it though, not for the most part. Its really not as bad as everyone makes it out to be though, it didnt "rain today"!<br /><br />Scewed my knew up at work, I backed off the frame rack, kapow! no more cartelidge. Hurt the good knee, the other one I scewed up Motocrossing.
 

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:eek:HELP! what happened ? I painted my boat last year. used Interlux /base color coat.( Blingflake) metal flake red and blue . than 4 coats of alienclear A-51 HS clearcoat. the boat come out awesome! I don't know what happened but the red metal flake faded to silver with in 3 month time. the red base coat did not fade at all .just the red flakes turned silver. the blue stripe held up fine and glitter is still brilliant blue . it's allot of work to fix this mess! I DON'T want to do this again next year. please help any INFO will be appreciated thank for your time an input!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JOHN
 

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:eek:HELP! what happened ? I painted my boat last year. used Interlux /base color coat.( Blingflake) metal flake red and blue . than 4 coats of alienclear A-51 HS clearcoat. the boat come out awesome! I don't know what happened but the red metal flake faded to silver with in 3 month time. the red base coat did not fade at all .just the red flakes turned silver. the blue stripe held up fine and glitter is still brilliant blue . it's allot of work to fix this mess! I DON'T want to do this again next year. please help any INFO will be appreciated thank for your time an input!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JOHN

Ayuh,... Welcome Aboard,...

Start a thread of your Own....
Hy-jacking a 6 year old thread. Ain't gonna get you any Help...

I've never used the paints you mention, so I don't know where you went Wrong,...
Other than Red, fades Way faster than other colors...
 
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