Michigan Covid 19 Order

[UP HOOKER]

In the latest order it is ok to go fishing as long as you are not in a motorized Boat, you can use a Canoe Kayak Paddle Board even a Sailboat but not a Powerboat of any form. Talk about a bunch of BS.......

 

[alldodge]

That's different, maybe figuring if its a PB you need to interact to get gas, marina, boat ramp. Very few sail boats so very few would be out

 

[ahicks]

There are a LOT of seriously ticked off Michiganders over this. When factoring in the time of year (COLD), WHERE is the logic?

 

[DeepCMark58A]

Michigan certainly getting strange. Hard to describe it without being political, so I won't.

 

[Alumarine]

I read a quote that helped put things in perspective for me the other day.
"Our fathers went overseas in WW2 for our way of life.
I've been asked to sit on the couch for my country. I can do this!"

 

[briangcc]

People will argue with it BUT in NY all boat launches and marinas are closed to recreational boaters. That happened this past weekend. It's classified as non-essential. I'm abiding by it, but I don't like it having just renewed my registration for my boat AND trailer.

I think, and could be wrong, that it boils down to a few factors:

1. Some boaters grab their Pontoon/Bowrider/Cruiser/whatnot and invite the family, friends, neighbors, ex girlfriends, etc along for a day on the water. Got a bunch of people who aren't related in very close proximity where the virus could spread.

2. Some boaters, when its warmer, enjoy rafting up with similar boats in coves. Again, lots of unrelated people in close proximity.

3. It's not like anyone who's a carrier for this lovely virus is wearing a brightly colored vest saying "I'm infected, stay away" so you really do not know if the guy who just launched his boat and coughed into his hand and then touched a railing has a cold or just sentenced you to a potential few weeks of living hell, or worse.

 

[Starcraft5834]

WTF! fishing in non motorized boat only.. ridiculous. in the words of Ronald Regan. "hello we are from the government and here to help".

 

[ahicks]

People will argue with it BUT in NY all boat launches and marinas are closed to recreational boaters. That happened this past weekend. It's classified as non-essential. I'm abiding by it, but I don't like it having just renewed my registration for my boat AND trailer.

I think, and could be wrong, that it boils down to a few factors:

1. Some boaters grab their Pontoon/Bowrider/Cruiser/whatnot and invite the family, friends, neighbors, ex girlfriends, etc along for a day on the water. Got a bunch of people who aren't related in very close proximity where the virus could spread.

2. Some boaters, when its warmer, enjoy rafting up with similar boats in coves. Again, lots of unrelated people in close proximity.

3. It's not like anyone who's a carrier for this lovely virus is wearing a brightly colored vest saying "I'm infected, stay away" so you really do not know if the guy who just launched his boat and coughed into his hand and then touched a railing has a cold or just sentenced you to a potential few weeks of living hell, or worse.

Not going to disagree with a word here. I'm just going to ask your thoughts on the need for this when it's still so cold? We aren't talking about Florida. How many friends do you think you're going to round up for an APRIL boat ride? There's still chunks of ice floating around on some lakes. This is about the guys that like to get out early in the season for some fishing.

 

[GA_Boater]

Michigan certainly getting strange. Hard to describe it without being political, so I won't.

WTF! fishing in non motorized boat only.. ridiculous. in the words of Ronald Regan. "hello we are from the government and here to help".

No, Governor Whitmer and advisors are doing what they think is best to save lives and minimize suffering. Michigan has over 25,000 cases and over 1,600 deaths from C19. This will not be going away unless each of do what we can to cut the risk of spearding. These are not normal times and require extreme and unpopular measures.

For non-Michigan residents, when are you planning on boating in Michigan? In other words, it isn't your concern.

 

[JimS123]

People will argue with it BUT in NY all boat launches and marinas are closed to recreational boaters. That happened this past weekend. It's classified as non-essential. I'm abiding by it, but I don't like it having just renewed my registration for my boat AND trailer.

I think, and could be wrong, that it boils down to a few factors:

1. Some boaters grab their Pontoon/Bowrider/Cruiser/whatnot and invite the family, friends, neighbors, ex girlfriends, etc along for a day on the water. Got a bunch of people who aren't related in very close proximity where the virus could spread.

2. Some boaters, when its warmer, enjoy rafting up with similar boats in coves. Again, lots of unrelated people in close proximity.

3. It's not like anyone who's a carrier for this lovely virus is wearing a brightly colored vest saying "I'm infected, stay away" so you really do not know if the guy who just launched his boat and coughed into his hand and then touched a railing has a cold or just sentenced you to a potential few weeks of living hell, or worse.

I agree that your points are the logic behind it. Regardless, it really doesn't make sense if you think about it.

The USCG, Homeland Security, etc. are out in full force. If they were to witness people rafting, they could issue a ticket. Most of our ramps don't have railings anyway. What's the sense of prohibiting me from going out by myself just to fish?

In my opinion, it's all a way of forcing us to stay home and do nothing. Its to make us all very well aware that we should not come in contact with anyone.

However, we can still get takeout food. INHO, all restaurants should be closed. So the kid comes out to the car with your fish dinner and you hand him cash, and he makes change. You're more likely to get disease from his dollar bill (or him from yours) than you get sick handling a worm while you're floating out in the river.

 

[briangcc]

Not going to disagree with a word here. I'm just going to ask your thoughts on the need for this when it's still so cold? We aren't talking about Florida. How many friends do you think you're going to round up for an APRIL boat ride? There's still chunks of ice floating around on some lakes. This is about the guys that like to get out early in the season for some fishing.

Going off personal experience here when I bought my Bayliner I had family/friends out for boat rides whenever I was off work. Granted that was '99 but I did it.

This year has been a very odd year where we, NY, really didn't experience a hard ice over so ice has been out for about a month or more. This past weekend the temps were in the upper 60's and I saw several boats launching in Lake Ontario. My boys were asking to go out on ours.

I believe Charter season is starting up here as well which is rather big business on the Great Lakes so keeping a large group of people in such close proximity can be an issue and inadvertently spread the virus. I assume, and could be wrong, its similar in other states.

I don't think you could legislate the closure of Charter Boats without addressing recreational boaters as there are diehards that will do this....or just strip the charter decals off the boat and try to fly under the radar.

In listening to my governor, he's attempting a regional approach as compared to other plans put forth. I can see where some may take our lead on certain items and this may very well be one of those cases.


So...as much as I don't like it, I see the reasoning behind it. And because of it, in my neck of the woods, I have a very expensive yard decoration right now.

 

[briangcc]

I agree that your points are the logic behind it. Regardless, it really doesn't make sense if you think about it.

The USCG, Homeland Security, etc. are out in full force. If they were to witness people rafting, they could issue a ticket. Most of our ramps don't have railings anyway. What's the sense of prohibiting me from going out by myself just to fish?

In my opinion, it's all a way of forcing us to stay home and do nothing. Its to make us all very well aware that we should not come in contact with anyone.

However, we can still get takeout food. INHO, all restaurants should be closed. So the kid comes out to the car with your fish dinner and you hand him cash, and he makes change. You're more likely to get disease from his dollar bill (or him from yours) than you get sick handling a worm while you're floating out in the river.

I can agree to an extent. I think it could be related to keeping those resources you mentioned available to back fill if needed. Law enforcement, first aid/first responders, etc are getting the virus as well. Some are stretched thin already so to keep those units active, you have to be able to back fill. So while not optimal, USCG, Homeland Security, etc could fill in roles to fill patrol cars, ambulances, etc to keep the law and order side running.

In regards to takeout food, I see your point but would counter with this....some people depend on that $5 Happy Meal to make it through the day. Some of our local pizza shops have a slice & pop for $5. Yes its a sad fact but unfortunately we do have other social issues at play. Closing takeout could close off a life line for people - be it suddenly homeless due to unemployment, living on the streets, etc.

There's a lot that goes into these decisions, I certainly don't have all the answers. But I can step back and see why this might have been done.

 

[Scott Danforth]

The issue is its hard to enforce idiots that seem to go out in boats, anchor together off-shore and party in large groups

they closed the ramps in my county 3 weeks ago because of this

now they re-opened them because the surrounding counties didnt close, however if you are caught with more than 10 in a boat or your boat is within 50 feet of another boat, you get a serious fine

remember it could be a bit more strict, the president of the Philippines has ordered anyone who violates the stay at home law to be shot dead.

the reasoning about the stay at home orders is for the general safety and well-being of the public.

do i agree with it, not really
do i understand the reasoning, yes
do i believe CV-19 is as bad as it is made out to be, no
do i believe the media hype, no
do i believe there is a political spin, yes

do I want to be caught violating orders, no.

 

[JimS123]

Yes its a sad fact but unfortunately we do have other social issues at play. Closing takeout could close off a life line for people - be it suddenly homeless due to unemployment, living on the streets, etc.

There's a lot that goes into these decisions, I certainly don't have all the answers. But I can step back and see why this might have been done.

I don't have any answers either. I DO feel bad for people that work in restaurants, but what about all the other people that work in what's now classified as non-essential. Nobody thought about them! Their lifeline has already been closed down.

The intent is to stop the spread of disease from all potential sources. My complaint is that if they were truly serious they would have closed everything down if it was a potential source. They didn't. They picked and chose. I can live without the restaurant, and I can live without my barber. They chose one and not the other.

 

[dingbat]

Our State allows for “subsistence“ fishing either from shore or by boat.

 

[alldodge]

Don't know of anyone which can NOT live without restaurants but once enough time goes by, the restaurant will not reopen. All will go bankrupt, but hey no one needs a restaurant

 

[roscoe]

Very little of this makes any sense.
2 people in a kayak, 6-8 people on a sailboat, 1 person on a motorized boat.
All require the same amount of LEO oversight.
Which one is more likely to spread the virus???

A limit on the number of people in said boat would make sense, but she has none.

This will not stop the virus, it is unstoppable.
It will be here on earth most likely forever.
Even IF... there is a vaccine in the future, If... it will likely not do anything for currently infected, and possibly the "recovered", as latest accounts of recovered individuals with antibodies in their body, have shown that the antibodies don't eliminate the virus, just subdue it, or put it into hibernation. Much like AIDS and SHINGLES.

Flattening the curve is one thing, but stopping it, not gonna happen.
All the people that shelter and quarantine now, will still be susceptible to it in the future.

Btw, almost every business in my county is open to some extent..
Seems like just about every one of them is related to, or directly involved in a critical infrastructure element.
And wow, we have zero cases. Surrounding counties have between 2 and 8.

Governor Whitmer is not capable of thinking, she's proven that many times.

"""No, Governor Whitmer and advisors are doing what they think is best to save lives and minimize suffering. Michigan has over 25,000 cases and over 1,600 deaths from C19. This will not be going away unless each of do what we can to cut the risk of spearding. These are not normal times and require extreme and unpopular measures.

For non-Michigan residents, when are you planning on boating in Michigan? In other words, it isn't your concern."""

Ok GA, I guess that would pertain to you.

 

[The Force power]

Speaking from Ontario, Canada and sharing lakes with you (Huron, Erie, Ontario) we still ways away to get out for the mass
So I keeping up the spirits

 

[UP HOOKER]

Speaking from Ontario, Canada and sharing lakes with you (Huron, Erie, Ontario) we still ways away to get out for the mass
So I keeping up the spirits

Did you forget about the largest lake on the Planet lol

 

[JimS123]

Don't know of anyone which can NOT live without restaurants but once enough time goes by, the restaurant will not reopen. All will go bankrupt, but hey no one needs a restaurant

Absolutely true.

My marine mechanic has his own business. He also has a house mortgage and a truck payment. His inventory of parts are on his credit card. He's destined to be bankrupt as well, since we can't go boating and his business is in the crapper.

Same for my barber. He still has rent payments for the shop. Its no matter that they will waive the payments for now, but how long will it take to catch up.

The barber and mechanic are a grey area in my mind. They are a one-on business. Precautions can be taken so nobody gets sick.

But the restaurants have multiple employees and god knows where they have been. The change of spread in my mind is the greatest here. If the govt TRULY wanted to make headway, they would be closed too. Why try to help them when they are mandating that all others go bankrupt.