"Middle East Nightmare"

[OldMercsRule]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

Nuke the Saracens!........

I'd rather not, if we can avoid it.

Murky, all the blther about moral decay, & such....
Whining about Carter....

He really did start the deal Bro.

Ronnie Ray-Gun was busy with USSR?.....

Yah, he really was Bro.

Please, they couldn't even finish off Afghanistan....

Again: if all living things vanished from Afganistan on 9/12/2001 there would only be a temporary supply shortage of poppies. Would not effect the struggle against the followers of the Religion o' Peace, at all: Bro.

We should have aided Saddy any way we could....
He would have killed off millions of Iranians.....

We did aid him, and he did kill lots of 'em.

Instead he aided them with the Contra Carp & Dummy senior aided them with pardons.........

That was to stop Senator Chris Dodd and the rest of the Communist loving Democrats from allowing a Communist beach head on North American soil. Remember the "Boland amendment". Why do Democrats always bed down with our enemies Bro? Ya do know that no other philosophy in human history has taken nearly as many human lives as Communism has don't ya Bro?

Ronnie screwing up the Iran-Iraq war led directly to the Kuwaiti invasion & the Gulf war I........

OH, so it's all President Reagan's fault? Come on Bro! Wars are always hard to corntrol and the Middle East has been a cess pool for over 4000 years.

So what would you have in Turkey a what was it a 'unrooted, secular morally decaying Democracy or a "rooted" theocratic dictatorship?HMMMMM?

A fairly predictable and fairly reliable ally Bro. Clearly the most functional Muslim country in the present world. It would be a shame if they fell under Islamo facist corntrol. 'Course I'm not a Liberal, (regardless of what King Skinny thinks), so I want our side to win, (where Liberals think they can gain corntrol if we loose), and a stable Turkey is still on our side. Respectfully JR

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

Let me know when you're ready to nuke it.

Originally Posted by Haut Medoc
Nuke the Saracens!........

I'd rather not, if we can avoid it.

Murky, all the blther about moral decay, & such....
Whining about Carter....

He really did start the deal Bro.
He did, I agree, by being a wimp!......
But we have had 27 years to fix it, including 19 years of Rehub rule....

Ronnie Ray-Gun was busy with USSR?.....

Yah, he really was Bro.
Sure he was busy with the USSR, but they were busy with Afghanistan...

Please, they couldn't even finish off Afghanistan....

Again: if all living things vanished from Afganistan on 9/12/2001 there would only be a temporary supply shortage of poppies. Would not effect the struggle against the followers of the Religion o' Peace, at all: Bro.
I'm talking about the Russky's not being able to finish off Afghanistan....
I really don't think that we really had as much to fear from the usr as some would like to portray....
& Yes of course the USSR was a threat.....

We should have aided Saddy any way we could....
He would have killed off millions of Iranians.....

We did aid him, and he did kill lots of 'em.
Yes but not enough, if we had helped more, Iran & the theocratic dictatorship would have been toppled......
Instead he aided them with the Contra Carp & Dummy senior aided them with pardons.........

That was to stop Senator Chris Dodd and the rest of the Communist loving Democrats from allowing a Communist beach head on North American soil. Remember the "Boland amendment". Why do Democrats always bed down with our enemies Bro? Ya do know the no other philosophy in human history has taken nearly as many human lives as Communism has don't ya Bro?

He signed that amendment then promptly did everything he could to circumvent it including the criminal Iran/Contra scandal......
He actually aided our enemy

Ronnie screwing up the Iran-Iraq war led directly to the Kuwaiti invasion & the Gulf war I........

OH, so it's all President Reagan's fault? Come on Bro! Wars are always hard to corntrol and the Middle East has been a cess pool for over 4000 years.

Yep! He should he have helped Saddy crush the Iranians.....
& not traded arms with terrorists.....Shame on him!...


So what would you have in Turkey a what was it a 'unrooted, secular morally decaying Democracy or a "rooted" theocratic dictatorship?HMMMMM?
A fairly predictable and fairly reliable ally Bro. Clearly the most functional Muslim country in the present world. It would be a shame if they fell under Islamo facist corntrol. 'Course I'm not a Liberal, (regardless of what King Skinny thinks), so I want our side to win, (where Liberals think they can gain corntrol if we lose), and a stable Turkey is still on our side. Respectfully JR
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A proud n' rare Independent Cornservative from the Seattle Metro area, who runs the finest old black boat anchors money can buy!

I want Turkey to remain a secularly run goverment, & an ally.....
The author makes it sound like secular=bad, religion=good, that's all I'm sayin'.....
There are subtle untertones in his essay that I do not agree with....
& in this case specifically, religion = bad........​

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

Originally Posted by Haut Medoc
Nuke the Saracens!........

I'd rather not, if we can avoid it.

Murky, all the blther about moral decay, & such....
Whining about Carter....

He really did start the deal Bro.
He did, I agree, by being a wimp!......
But we have had 27 years to fix it, including 19 years of Rehub rule....

Ronnie Ray-Gun was busy with USSR?.....

Yah, he really was Bro.
Sure he was busy with the USSR, but they were busy with Afghanistan...

Please, they couldn't even finish off Afghanistan....

Again: if all living things vanished from Afganistan on 9/12/2001 there would only be a temporary supply shortage of poppies. Would not effect the struggle against the followers of the Religion o' Peace, at all: Bro.
I'm talking about the Russky's not being able to finish off Afghanistan....
I really don't think that we really had as much to fear from the usr as some would like to portray....
& Yes of course the USSR was a threat.....

We should have aided Saddy any way we could....
He would have killed off millions of Iranians.....

We did aid him, and he did kill lots of 'em.
Yes but not enough, if we had helped more, Iran & the theocratic dictatorship would have been toppled......
Instead he aided them with the Contra Carp & Dummy senior aided them with pardons.........

That was to stop Senator Chris Dodd and the rest of the Communist loving Democrats from allowing a Communist beach head on North American soil. Remember the "Boland amendment". Why do Democrats always bed down with our enemies Bro? Ya do know the no other philosophy in human history has taken nearly as many human lives as Communism has don't ya Bro?

He signed that amendment then promptly did everything he could to circumvent it including the criminal Iran/Contra scandal......
He actually aided our enemy

Ronnie screwing up the Iran-Iraq war led directly to the Kuwaiti invasion & the Gulf war I........

I see yer point Bro, I did not like the Iran contra deal either. Me thinks Sadam never could've beaten the Iranians. Persians have been fairly tough people for 3-4,000 years. Usually that is not an accident when that much time is involved. The Arabs have not been a force since Babylon. If Sadam did take down Persia in the early 1980s that may have saved the USSR since Sadam was in their orbit. Nah, I would rather have it as it is then remaking history. Very hard to tell how that would have worked, and Sadam was one of the most ruthless leaders in history. Did he ever have a weapon he did not use??? Did he have any neighbors who he would not attack???? Carefull of what ya wish for it might happen.

OH, so it's all President Reagan's fault? Come on Bro! Wars are always hard to corntrol and the Middle East has been a cess pool for over 4000 years.

Yep! He should he have helped Saddy crush the Iranians.....
& not traded arms with terrorists.....Shame on him!...


So what would you have in Turkey a what was it a 'unrooted, secular morally decaying Democracy or a "rooted" theocratic dictatorship?HMMMMM?
A fairly predictable and fairly reliable ally Bro. Clearly the most functional Muslim country in the present world. It would be a shame if they fell under Islamo facist corntrol. 'Course I'm not a Liberal, (regardless of what King Skinny thinks), so I want our side to win, (where Liberals think they can gain corntrol if we lose), and a stable Turkey is still on our side. Respectfully JR
__________________
A proud n' rare Independent Cornservative from the Seattle Metro area, who runs the finest old black boat anchors money can buy!

I want Turkey to remain a secularly run goverment, & an ally.....
The author makes it sound like secular=bad, religion=good, that's all I'm sayin'.....
There are subtle untertones in his essay that I do not agree with....
& in this case specifically, religion = bad........​

Sorry for missing the USSR Afganistan cornection, (I only have one brain cell and tend to take things literally).

I know you do not like Religion: Bro, and it is an equal opportunity bash for you, I did not pick up that particular undertone, I was facinated with the DEMOGRAPHIC argument he gave. Me thinks DEMOGRAPHICS 'splain lots of the world's current situation, and will have a very large impact on all of us going forward. That is why I posted it for my iboats buds to read n' learn.

Thanks for settin' ol' Murky straight. JR

 

[cheburashka]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

I think I'll keep using this board as a place to get advice on boats. If I want smack-down, liberal is bad because it's liberal, man-made global warming doesn't exist, I'm proud to be really dense kind of argumentation, I can turn on any number of talk radio shows or watch Fox News.

Murky, you need to learn the difference between the word "you" and the phrase "people like you." That mistake is indicative of a bigger problem: most of what you wrote showed little understanding of what I wrote. I don't see the point in continuing this. Like you, I'm in a part of Washington populated by people who don't think like me, and I get kind of frustrated with "east-siders." However, I never stoop so low as to deliberately mangle my opposition's arguments so I can feel like I've won. I'm generally a "whatever floats your boat" kind of guy, but you've left several plugs out of your transom and I'm paddling the heck away from you before I get pulled in too.

12-footer, I agree completely with your contention that conservatism is very different from fascism. However, I never compared the two. I wrote "knocking down two buildings in New York has made a lot of Americans into feeble-minded jingoistic neo-fascists." What does that have to do with conservatism? It's a comment on the political climate promoted by the Bush Administration since 9/11. I don't know a single conservative who equates the Bush administration's policies with conservatism. I admire true conservatism as a philosophy. I see little to admire in this administration.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

I think I'll keep using this board as a place to get advice on boats. If I want smack-down, liberal is bad because it's liberal,

Liberal is a relative statement: Cheburashka, most Americans are Liberals relative to human history. I directly took on the words you chose to use here not you personally. I found them lacking factual basis, and directly criticized your words based on fact and logic.

man-made global warming doesn't exist,

NEWS FLASH: the Sun, (that large relatively stable ball o' gas we revolve around) warms this particular place Cheburashka, all of human activity is only a very small part of what effects this planet's temperatures. Liberals, (that's the American Democrats, Snooty Europeans, n' Algore types), see it as a way to force us to do what they want us to do, they still keep flyin' their jets, n' livin large in their 20,000 square foot homes. Liberalism = Corntrol.

I'm proud to be really dense kind of argumentation, I can turn on any number of talk radio shows or watch Fox News.

Did not follow ya here, I like Fox n' talk radio too. I like to actually get all the news and make my own decisions. I view n' read the MSM too, but the editors, (I affectionately refer to them as Willy's editors fer WillyBWright, an ace boat tech most of us like here), seem to have an adjenda to focus on their favorite things, so Fox n' the internet, n' talk radio keeps me single brain cell sharp. To each his own I say, what ever floats that boat of yours!!

Murky, you need to learn the difference between the word "you" and the phrase "people like you."

If you knew me you could possibly make a generalization about "people like me", I don't believe I've ever met you. I deal with your words, (that I hope you voluntarily choose): not you personally. Different strokes fer different folks, I say.

That mistake is indicative of a bigger problem: most of what you wrote showed little understanding of what I wrote.

I responded directly to yer words.

I don't see the point in continuing this.

Good luck then.

Like you, I'm in a part of Washington populated by people who don't think like me, and I get kind of frustrated with "east-siders."

Yah, we both should live in the other's part of the state, (if political agreement is that important). It's not to me: or I would not live here.

However, I never stoop so low as to deliberately mangle my opposition's arguments so I can feel like I've won.

Sorry ya feel that way. I posted point by point, so if that were a serious corncern, as oppossed to a parting shot, step right up and point out where I mangled your arguments.

I'm generally a "whatever floats your boat" kind of guy, but you've left several plugs out of your transom and I'm paddling the heck away from you before I get pulled in too.

Oh well.

12-footer, I agree completely with your contention that conservatism is very different from fascism. However, I never compared the two. I wrote "knocking down two buildings in New York has made a lot of Americans into feeble-minded jingoistic neo-fascists." What does that have to do with conservatism? It's a comment on the political climate promoted by the Bush Administration since 9/11. I don't know a single conservative who equates the Bush administration's policies with conservatism. I admire true conservatism as a philosophy. I see little to admire in this administration.

You made yer feelin's about the President abundantly clear and I thank you for the interchange. Good luck and have fun boating. JR

 

[cheburashka]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

cheburashka:

I will not resort to name calling, but people like you with the complete nonsence that you beleive are utter failures of this wonderful country.

That's why I continually say that Liberalism is a mental disorder.

That's catchy. Do all of your ideas come from Michael Savage? Looks like it to me.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

That's catchy. Do all of your ideas come from Michael Savage? Looks like it to me.

Sorry fer buttin' in again, (thought you were goin' to another part of the forum). Dr. Wiener is irritating, (at least to me), but he is also brillant, and I do believe I have used his phrase as much as anyone here on iboats. I rarely listen to him as 570 has a much better option on when he spews his poison, and he seems mad all the time, (don't know how he can keep that anger up soooo much). Good luck again. JR

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

That's catchy. Do all of your ideas come from Michael Savage? Looks like it to me.

I suppose you prefer your ideas to come from Michael Moore and Karl Marx.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

I suppose you prefer your ideas to come from Michael Moore and Karl Marx.

Rubber, you are cornsistantly the funniest person on this forum. I will laugh all the way home over that one!!! I miss that cat you had. JR

 

[cheburashka]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

I suppose you prefer your ideas to come from Michael Moore and Karl Marx.

No, I have this weird thing I do--I use my own brain and figure things out on my own instead of mindlessly parroting back nonsense from pundits. I highly recommend it. It takes a bit more effort, but I think it's worth it.

You show me one place in any of my posts where I quoted Marx or Moore. As a matter of fact, I don't like Michael Moore very much. Marx, on the other hand, had some great ideas. But they're ideas! Not sound bites, or pithy phrases, but ideas. They're only useful if you can do something with them. Saying liberalism is a mental disease is a cop-out. It's a simple ad-hominem argument that excuses someone from having to think about what liberals have to say--a trick that Savage uses a lot.

I'm telling you, I have no problem with conservatism. However, people like O'Reilly, Savage, Limbaugh etc. really aren't worth quoting as authorities on conservative theory. They're entertainers. Not philosophers, not journalists, but entertainers. They get caught in lies so often that it's ridiculous. I really don't understand how anyone can put stock in anything they say.

 

[rmmpe]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

Karl Marx's idea would be Utopia if it could be made to work.
Unfortunately, it could never as it relies on equal participation by all.

That's what kills it.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

Marx, on the other hand, had some great ideas... However, people like O'Reilly, Savage, Limbaugh etc. really aren't worth quoting ....

So you're a big fan of Marx, but you hate the conservative guys. Gotcha.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

Rubber, you are cornsistantly the funniest person on this forum. I will laugh all the way home over that one!!! I miss that cat you had. JR

You've discovered my entire reason for being.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

No, I have this weird thing I do--I use my own brain and figure things out on my own instead of mindlessly parroting back nonsense from pundits. I highly recommend it. It takes a bit more effort, but I think it's worth it.

Hmmmmmm, then maybe yer brain doen't werk as good as it should then. Yer post, (that I challanged point by point with real facts), seemed to be filled with what could have been characterized as "parroting back nonsense". I would have labeled that if I could read yer mind, but since I can't do that, I just challanged yer words, 'cause I have no clue where you actually get yer talkin' points, (Libs put them everywhere, n' the MSM repeats 'em all the time). Seems ta me you may be doin' a lil' projectin', (BTW that's one of those Liberal psycho babble words), n' it does happen from time to time from both sides like you just tried here.

You show me one place in any of my posts where I quoted Marx or Moore.

Rubberfrog is just pullin' yer leg. In addition to constant humor, he is one of the smartest posters on this board, n' luvs ta mess with ya to keep ya sharp. Look what he got ya to admit: MY O' MY. (He has messed with almost all of us from time to time, it is part of the iboats experience down here on DC)!!! (BTW: thanks fer the cat Rubber!!!!!!!!!)

As a matter of fact, I don't like Michael Moore very much. Marx, on the other hand, had some great ideas. But they're ideas! Not sound bites, or pithy phrases, but ideas. They're only useful if you can do something with them.

Hmmmmmmm, me thinks a feller named Lenin, (n' his bud Stalin) n' Chairman Mao, did do somethin' with those "great ideas" you seem to be sooooooo impressed with, n' fact more human beings were slaughtered, (in actual hard numbers; or as a percentage of then existing mankind), as a direct result of Marx's "great ideas" then any other single philosophy in human history. I'd say that could be cornsidered to be useful if yer a Liberal that has trouble with higher brain function that Cornservatives put forth the proposition that maybe there is some sort of MENTAL DISORDER in the process. That is why some of us do ponder Dr. Wieners' phrase: Is Liberalism a mental disorder? It stimulates CRITICAL THINKIN!!!!! Not soooo good fer Liberals.

Saying liberalism is a mental disease is a cop-out. It's a simple ad-hominem argument that excuses someone from having to think about what liberals have to say--a trick that Savage uses a lot.

Nope, don't agree. I think Dr. Wiener has stumbled onto somethin' profound that makes a person stop n' say Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Very dangerous fer Liberal ideas, 'cause thay are not logical n' ponderin' the mental state of someone who believes in 'em is a productive thought provoking undertaking.

I'm telling you, I have no problem with conservatism. However, people like O'Reilly, Savage, Limbaugh etc. really aren't worth quoting as authorities on conservative theory. They're entertainers. Not philosophers, not journalists, but entertainers.

Hmmmmmmmm, I guess you think you have a lot of basis to judge others in the media who may not agree with you. I don't know about you but I do not look to Liberals, (with questionable cognitive processes to the point that I question their sanity from time to time to pass judgement on my personnal media diet). Liberals seem to hate any source of information except their very own domestic HARD LEFT MSM. They don't seem to want unedited information, that actually is fairly easy to evaluate and verify with all the world wide media resorces and with the wonderfull internet access now available to all. If ya can't corntroll the message: shoot the messinger I say!

They get caught in lies so often that it's ridiculous. I really don't understand how anyone can put stock in anything they say.

"Lies", hmmmmmmm, ya mean: "Bush lied people died", great stuff. When ya cornsume gallons of Kool aid, it does make ya a bit wooosey I imagine. It does make it difficult to relate to people who choose not to partake in yer particular flavor of Kool aid.

Hope ya change yer mind and stick around here in DC as a great example of a serious Kool aid cornsumin' person who projects his apparently Liberal inspired world views out fer us to chew on n' tear appart n' learn if Liberalism is actually a mental illness, or just an inability to properly evaluate facts and history. Respectfully, (and I actually do mean it, and I do hope you stick around to set me straight). JR

 

[LubeDude]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

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Ya. that!

Even though "Liberalism is a mental desease" is a Michael Savage quote, I can't help but to beleive it with the way they refuse to listen to the truth when it's right in front of them!

D***** than a bunch of flippin rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rmmpe]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

Rubber Frog,

Not sure if that was directed at me but I'll respond with:

No, I am not a fan of Marxism; just making a tongue in cheek comment .
What makes Marxism unworkable is that we do not all contribute equally to the betterment of society. That's why Marxism won't work.

I am Conservative and I believe Unionism is a derivative of Socialism.

Hmmm, let's see; Socialism, Liberalism, Unionism, Marxism......I'm starting to see a pattern here. In that order it's SLUM.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: "Middle East Nightmare"

My comments were directed at cheburnobyl.