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[bandit86]

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dumb people in any color are a bad representation of their race, and there are plenty of dumb ones around, like 90 percent of people. They just walk around like everyone else, they dont even know they are dumb

 

[imported_Curmudgeon]

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..like 90 percent of people.<br /><br />Sounds like the old sanity argument - you're sane and everyone else is crazy? It is said, however, just because one is paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't after 'em.

 

[PW2]

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Ok, JB, I sort of agree with you to a point.<br /><br />There is unfairness in every aspect of society, and that will not change anytime soon. That is how it is.<br /><br />There are very subtle ways to practice discrimination, as well as overt ways, and while it can sometimes be a simple thing to legislate against the overt, it is very much a different thing to rid the country of the subtle.<br /><br />There are no simple answers to this, and errors no doubt will be made. So what? Is the answer really in doing nothing and pretending no problem exists?

 

[POINTER94]

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PW2 your typical solutions are monitary and punitive. Most of the problems arise from cultural norms, some of which was created by guilt ridden liberals. You can't legislate what is in peoples hearts and minds. (Another great liberal falicy) Laws that cannot be applied equally will create separation not unity.<br /><br />Another issue is that we don't have a blended culture, we are not a melting pot, more like a tossed salad. A homogenous culture (that includes language) would be the ideal. It is not the duty of the many to adjust to the few. Waving mexican flags to attain American benefits it a neat example of how we look at things upside down. If you want to see racism in America look at all sectors of our society. A tree and a rope and a couple of good ol' boys makes a nice image, but that isn't the face of racism today. See Jesse Jackson. Someone who thinks that hurricanes are racist.<br /><br />Examples: African-American, Mexican-American, Gay-American, Jewish-American, Sino-American, Feminist, etc.

 

[PW2]

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I completely disagree with you. While admittedly you cannot "solve" every problem, you can indeed affect problems.<br /><br />My daughter is blind, and without things like the ADA, and the opportunities that made available to her, she'd be selling pencils on a street corner today. Now she had to work hard for where she is, and nothing was given to her, but there is a fundamental difference between hard and impossible.<br /><br />In the short run, it would be cheaper probably to ignore her--It would be more expensive in the long run.

 

[cpj]

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KB, this honkey is with you 100%. I propose a new group:<br />NAARWH<br />That is the "National Association for the Advancement of Rich White Honkeys".<br /><br />I would have to join the NAAPWH though (poor white honkeys)<br /><br />Or, we could just take the NAACP and change it.<br />"National Association for the Advancement of Cracker People"<br /><br />In all seriousness, as long as we keep making a big deal of this issue, it is only going to get worse.Not saying ignore it, but give the whole "the man is keeping me down" thing a rest. Do someting on your own for a change. Quit being a "doo da". That is " doo da gubment check come today or doo da gubment check come tomorrow"?<br /><br /> I judge you on merit, not color. Stupid and lazy knows no color.

 

[demsvmejm]

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The racism and prejudice and discrimination argument is so pervasive because it works so well. Scream discrimination and the establishment will fall all over itself doing what ever you want to prove that they aren't discriminating. So liek a spoiled child, the so called oppressed minorities have learned how to get what they want, regardless of whether they have earned it or not.<br /><br />And at last census, I believe the true minority in America was the white male. However JB really hit htat nail on the head with the king-of-the-hill anology.

 

[jimonica]

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KB, <br /> <br />I read your post a few days ago and I wasn't going to respond, but I keep finding myself thinking about the words that you posted and I feel the need to respond since no one else has really expressed my view.<br /><br />First, what I'd like to say is that I believe your view of race relations are a little jaded. I understand that you work in law enforcement and I can see why. I have a brother that also works in law enforcement, for the MN state corrections dept and even though he is a liberal his views on race are different than mine. I believe it has to do with the work environment and having to deal with a disproportionate amount of minorities every day.<br /><br />Now I've been on this earth for 45 years and I've never heard anyone call anyone a "white honky" except on the Jeffersons TV program. Maybe in your line of work you get these kind of names hurled your way from your clientele, I don't know. I've never heard "cracker", "whiteboy", or "whitey" for that matter. Again maybe you get that in your line or work, but I don't think the average American has.<br /><br />KB wrote,<br /><br />"But when I call you, ***ger, Kike, Towelhead, Sand-***ger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you call me a racist."<br /><br />Are you saying you actually use these words? Or are you just being provocative? I can't believe in the year 2006 that people still use these words. Before anyone accuses me of being too self righteous, I'm ashamed to admit that up until about ten years ago all those words were in my everyday vocabulary. I don't know what changed in my life but I can honestly say I don't use any of those racial names anymore. Maybe it was the birth of my first child and I wanted to set a good example for him, or maybe I've become more aware.<br /><br />I believe Ken your using a "straw man" or "straw issue", if you will, to make a point about your true feelings. I don't think they are valid. It seems to me you have and I see this a lot with those of you on the "right" you prop up a false issue so you can easily knock it down. I think the last time I heard anyone use a racial slur, belonging to any race, was probably ten years working in a used car shack. Oh, I take that back my father in-law and brother in-law still do, but what can you do but ignore them. They don't know any better. <br /><br />In fact, I'll tell a little story. One day when my ten year old was about five, we were ordering from the drive thru at KFC and he asked us why all the workers behind the window had "brown faces". My wife and I not only saw the humor in his question, but we both felt good that up until that time we don't think he realized that people are different. We felt that his use of "brown faces" was because his Mom and Dad never pointed out the differences of race to him before, because we feel it shouldn't matter. And to this day all three of my boys I feel have that same attitude. They all have friends of all different colors and they never have made any distinction.

 

[Kenneth Brown]

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Well Jim your halfway right. Its not a staw issue, its something near and dear to me. It really bothers me that others are allowed to down my people and it be ok. Truth here, even if it hurts. I've used Nig***, Towelhead, Sand Nig***, and wetb***. I do my best to not use those words anymore. I have never used those while in an official capacity. I do not teach my children hate. My mom used to live in an area that turned into little Mexico. All the kids were mexican except my kids. My 10 yearold speaks more Spanish than me, she can do pretty well. While it pleasesme that she will be able to communicate with more people it sickens me to think that she MUST learn there laungage to do so. Now her freinds are bilinguil and speak to her in english but she picks up all of it. The 10 yo was kept by my MIL while we worked, she never stayed at a daycare. The story you told is true for her also. She was 5 the first time she pointed out the difference. Was it because we did such a good job of showing the kids that we are all the same or was it becuase we kept them away from other races? Makes ya think doesn't it. Switch paces here- Yes those in law enforcement and corrections do see the worst society has to offer. I know that there are good people that are not white, I work with them everyday. I would just as quickly save a black man as I would a white, it doesn't really matter, we are all human afterall. Respectful people don't use that type of laungage in the open. They shouldn't use it in private either but everyone does, regardless of what you may say. I am glad to hear that you turned over a new leaf and moved away from the hate, its good to hear.<br /><br />From the words of the Koran- A'sa lama Lakim' (Peace be unto you my Brother)

 

[POINTER94]

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PW,<br /><br />How would you address Cynthia McKinney using racism to cover her arrogance? The affect you are looking for is working in just the opposite way. And as much as the left cries out for freedom of expression, how is it they can pass laws and programs that apply to people of only certain skin colors? Reverse racism is by definition racism. Good intentions or not. <br /><br />We have graduated (and thousands of years to late) from slavery, to segragation, to thought police, and indoctrination. The pendulum swings, and now it finds itself off center of equal. And our intension is equal, I hope.<br /><br />Or maybe not:<br /><br /> http://forums.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=014795 <br /><br />The voice of several of these groups is divicive and racist. Are there racists who are white, absolutely. But when you look who is moving away from unity, you don't find whites at the top of the list. You and I are perfect examples.