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Hanr3

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Gas fumes are the dangerous part, however they are heavier than air, hence the concern about pilot lights in garages or steps going down into the basement from teh garage. Spark will ignite gas, and yes you can get flame from coals. As for the temp of coals, its hot enough to melt steel and has been used to forge steel for centruies. Defiently hot enough to catch gas on fire, although gas doesn't really catch on fire, it explodes.

As for the original post, I would have asked the guy to put the smoke out while firing up the boat if it made me uncomfortable. Its obvious you wanted to make a statement by posting, however you come across "Holier than thou" to put it as politely as I can. Maybe thats not your intention?
Ten to one that "old guy" has been smoking around the gas tank longer than you have been alive and didn't see it as a concern. Instead of a little help all he got was attitude. No doubt he's telling a different story?:rolleyes:
 

CharlieB

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BINGO

Last time I tried, I couldn't walk on water.

Tho I may have a lit cigarette in my mouth while filling my lawn mower, (the minute probability of any untoward consequences I could still walk away), on my BOAT I wait till I'm finished with any fuel before lighting my smoke.

I'm not yet an 'Old Guy', but I'm getting there, (my 35 year old baby boy thinks I'm already there). NOT!
 

AquaCruz

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HAHA! Yeah I live in High Point and go to Belews Creek very often. I usually am on my jet ski but since I purchased my boat I alternate. I usually go down to the Pine Hall ramp and there never seems to be a shortage of morons there for your entertainment, or annoyance!
 

IVAZ

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Throwing a cig into gas will not catch it on fire unless the cig sparks. Being an ex smoker I can tell you that every once in a while when you puff on a cig you get a little pop and spark.
Would I smoke by gas, NO. Would I stand next to a guy that was smoking by gas, NO.
 

bowman316

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for those who doubt me,
when you grill with charcoal, and you light it, then the flame goes out, and you just have hot coles,
you ever throw more lighter fluid on there?

it just sizzles, and puts out the coles, unless you light it.

Granted, lighter fluid is like really watered down gas,but Gas is just like that.
 

dingbat

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Found this

Question

Do you know where to find information on the temperature at the tip of a lit cigarette, both during drawing on it and when it is not being drawn on? John Grisham in his book the PARTNER contends that he splashed gasoline around his Chevy Blazer, lit a cigarette and threw it on the gasoline, and it exploded. I know that gasoline has an autoignition temperature of 495 F and I do not believe the end of a burning cigarette comes near 495degrees. If you can help I would sure appreciate it, it's one of those things that will drive me crazy if I don't find a way to prove my theory.!

Asked by: Mike

Answer

Well, Mike here it is:

We performed a series of experiments in order to determine the actual temperature of the lit cigarette. Here are the results for the temperature at different locations and under different conditions:

Temperature without drawing:
Side of the lit portion: 400 deg C (or 752 deg F)
Middle of the lit portion: 580 deg C (or 1112 deg F)

Temperature during drawing:
Middle of the lit portion: 700 deg C (or 1292 deg F)

The above numbers represent the average we obtained by performing several trials and can be considered accurate to within 50 deg C. A standard Fe-CuNi digital thermocouple thermometer was used in all trials.


The Autoignition Temperature of a standard unleaded gasoline can be anywhere from 260 to 460 degrees C (or 500 to 860 deg F) as quoted on the FAQ: Automotive Gasoline Web Page by Bruce Hamilton (this page is also an excellent and accurate resource about the science of gasoline)

So as you can see the temperature of the cigarette, even at the side of the lit portion, is more than enough to cause gasoline to autoignite. However, there are many other factors that one should take into account. It matters how the cigarette actually falls onto the surface to the gasoline. There is a lower chance of autoignition if the cigarette falls on it's side where the temperature is lower. Also, the temperature of the gasoline itself matters. If the gasoline is cold to start with then there is again a lower chance of autoignition. One should also consider the amount of the gasoline that you have, namely if you have a large volume of gasoline that would mean that the there is enough surrounding liquid for the heat to go into and therefore the temperature of the gasoline-cigar contact spot would due to heat conduction of the gasoline decrease rapidly, therefore reducing the chance for autoignition. On the contrary, if you have a nice thin film of the gasoline, the chances of the autoignition increase. Also, the evaporation of the gasoline at the point of the contact will also act to reduce the actual contact temperature rapidly.
We are aware of at least one experimental trial (conducted by our colleague at the university) where the gasoline did not ignite upon contact with a lit cigar. This just means that all of the above conditions were not in favour of the ignition.

However, It is important to realize that the gasoline vapour has a much lower autoignition temperature than the gasoline itself. Namely, if you spill gasoline on a hot road (say in the hot summer day) you will be able to ignite gasoline by contact with a cigarette easily, just because of the gasoline vapour layer that would be produced above the surface of the gasoline. Not to even mention throwing the cigarette into the container with gasoline that has been closed for some time and is therefore full of gasoline vapours.

So for all of you smokers out there that are wondering why you are not allowed to smoke at gas pump stations, these are the real scientific reasons. It is dangerous and science is telling us that the temperature of the cigarette, given the appropriate conditions, is enough to cause gasoline to autoignite (and in case of the gas pump station this would be disastrous.)

So, Mike it looks like John Grisham has done his homework before writing his book.

WARNING: All above mentioned experiments were performed by professionals under controlled conditions and with proper precautions. You are in no way to attempt this on your own. This is dangerous and you can cause serious injuries to yourself and others. PhysLink and its authors will not be held responsible.

PhysLink would like to thank Dr. Michael Ewart for his kind assistance in performing these experiments.

Answered by: Michael Ewart, Researcher at the University of Southern California and Anton Skorucak, Creator & Editor of PhysLink
 

bowman316

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i bet a cigarette is hotter than your average coles in an open fire.
Coles in a wood furnace may be hotter thou.

I have only poured gas on open fire coles, early in the fire, when it is not that hot.
 

FireCapt

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Lit cigarettes and gasoline vapors do not mix PERIOD. I have seen the terrible results.

My profession is my screen name.
 

bowman316

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lol,
i was wondering why it said it was spelled wrong...
 

tickbait

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Interesting thread going here. We have a 1953 Farmal tractor that has been in the family all it's life. I'm also a fifth generation funeral director/embalmer. I've seen the bad end of fires many times and so did my grandfather but.....He was a cigar smoker and always had a zippo in his pocket. We live in KS and August gets pretty hot around here and we cut 3 acres using the Farmal. Whenever I thought grandfather was about to check the gas level in the mounted gas tank, I'd walk away expecting grandfather is gonna go poof, up in smoke because he'd get his zippo out and hold it to the gas tank opening to provide light and he'd look down into the tank. How that thing never blew, I'll never know. It would scare the bejesus out of me every time. I'm not down playing gas vapors at all. I've got great respect for things you can't see as in gas vapors and electricity. Those two, you don't want to learn the hard way. Just wanted to share a childhood uneasy feelin.
 

sportsmanphil

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I ran into a new moron last night.

Me and my oldest boy went catfishing at Belews lake. I put the boat in the water around 8pm (getting dark) and started heading N through the channel to the main body of water. The channel has a bunch of S bends. About half way up there is a rope swing coming out of the woods where teens gather and swing out in the lake. I notice a boater way left in the channel and was keeping an eye on him. I also noticed a bunch of teens at the bank to the right (near the swing) What I DIDNT about notice was a dumbass teen in the middle of the channel. Between the low light, the chop in the water and his black hair, I almost gave him a haircut with my prop.

So I yell "hey" and the dip **** turns in the water showing his 2 lip rings and try to give the moron some helpful advice "you're going to get yourself killed swimming out in the middle of this channel".

I start to head on down the channel, the other boater looked at me with a wave ( he heard what I told the kid) And about 30 yards later my son tells me he shot me the rod.

Im thinkin what kind of idiot, sitting in chop, in the early evening, DEFENCELESS with just his fat head stickin out of the water shoots someone in a boat the rod? Oh the possiblilites! I could go back, knock his lights out and head on to the fishing hole, I could go back and bust an oar over his head.. What could the moron do? Just lay there and bleed?

Well, I just kept going. I told my son thats what I am for in his life, to keep him from being stupid like this kid is.

Blahhhh,, Morons! There everywhere.
 

bowman316

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So the guy in the water flipped you off, or the guy in the boat?

i guess when your out of the channel it is real shallow?

most channels around here you don't need to stay in them unless you are a huge ship.

But some the water is 2 ft deep outside the channel.
 

H8tank

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If you use gasoline to start or burn fires, you really shouldn't be messing with fires in the first place.

It's like using rufies to date chicks.
 

bowman316

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I wouldn't say that,

But I guess I was never the typical boy scout who did things the right way, I just did things the easy way.

Use gas instead of getting a bunch of dry kendling and hoping it catches the fire after a few minutes. Gas is just quicker and easier for a big fire. The key is to put enough on before you light it, so that you don't have to pour gas on an already burning fire. Just lead out a trail of gas to light it.
 

Bard1

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am i the only one who throws gas on bonfires?
Just make sure you throw the gas out, and don't tip it upside down for too long, cuz the flame will try to burn up to the tank.

the safest way to do it would be to pour some gas into a cup, then toss it in from the cup.

Just last week, I poured some on a dead fire, with no flames, but really hot coles, and It sounded like i poured water on it, till i blew the coles, and it ignited as soon as a flame popped out of the coles.

Diesel fuel is the best way to start a big fire, it has a lower flash point so it's safer. I've had monster fires, a road flair and diesel is the way to go. If the ground is wet gas will seep out causing a large ring of vapor that will flash.... :eek:
 

Pascal

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I wouldn't say that,

But I guess I was never the typical boy scout who did things the right way, I just did things the easy way.

Use gas instead of getting a bunch of dry kendling and hoping it catches the fire after a few minutes. Gas is just quicker and easier for a big fire. The key is to put enough on before you light it, so that you don't have to pour gas on an already burning fire. Just lead out a trail of gas to light it.

Check out this boy scout!!! He used a trail of gas to light it!

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/77547/bonfire_blowup/
 

salty87

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^^ great video lol

nothing like dumping a couple of gallons of gas in a trench you're standing in too. was he trying to light wet wood?

2 stroke gas lights slower than straight up too.
 
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