Morse Controls MNS-D with 3300 Cable Ultimate Frustration continues...

[chicknwing]

URGH....This is how I feel today, I spent the better part of my Saturday trying to work out the last kink in my boat. During the summer something must have moved, because I could not get the motor in reverse. Forward, fine; Neutral, fine; Reverse, URGH! This is on the motor in my signature, model 1254X9B.

I started from scratch yesterday, I disassembled everything, pulled the controls out of the gunwale, pulled the cables fro the motor and began to adjust per the owners manual. (I have it in a pdf, but its 2.91mb and I can't upload it) I started by running the shift cable back into the motor and began with 5 turns on the cable connector. From there on I would adjust one turn and check everything. I went through all the threads the connector would accept and then adjusted the pivot one turn and again started making adjustments, one turn at a time, on the motor end. I did this for hours, but I could never get all three to line up, I either had forward and neutral, or reverse and neutral. I even found that I had lost neutral for a bit.

The current set up has worked since I first installed the motor on the boat, but......obviously it's not working anymore. I am extremely frustrated with this thing and to be honest I am ready to throw it in the street and run it over with my truck any advice or suggestions are welcome. I will try whatever you suggest as I am all out of ideas.

TC

 

[Bondo]

Re: Morse Controls MNS-D with 3300 Cable "Ultimate Frustration"

Re: Morse Controls MNS-D with 3300 Cable "Ultimate Frustration"

Ayuh,...

It sounds like either the cables are worn,+ not providing enough travel,..
Or,...
There's slop in the linkage on the motor eating up the travel of the cables,...

Donno....

 

[seabob4]

Re: Morse Controls MNS-D with 3300 Cable "Ultimate Frustration"

Re: Morse Controls MNS-D with 3300 Cable "Ultimate Frustration"

Campbell,
First, disconnect your shift cable from the motor. Put the motor on muffs and run her. Now, with the help of pliers, move the shift linkage into reverse, neutral, and forward. Note that the propshaft is behaving correctly and also note the physical position of your shift linkage. Now, hook the shift cable back up and repeat the above process, especially noting the physical position of the shift linkage, in comparison as to when no cable was attached.

Morse cables (actually you have Teleflex equivalents, the 3300 is a giveaway) and controls allow adjustment at both ends, motor and control. Try to equalize them. But I doubt your cable has "stretched" that much to the point where you have run out of adjustment.

The key is the physical position of the shift linkage.

 

[chicknwing]

Re: Morse Controls MNS-D with 3300 Cable "Ultimate Frustration"

Re: Morse Controls MNS-D with 3300 Cable "Ultimate Frustration"

Ayuh,...
There's slop in the linkage on the motor eating up the travel of the cables,...

You are correct, but looks like I have to remove powerhead to tighten one nut. Gotta love cleaning up someoneelse's mess. Anyone got any advice for this?

The key is the physical position of the shift linkage.

I followed the procedure in the service manual, marking the shift rod at the highest and lowest points then marking the middle and manually setting the shift selector to match that location, made sure the cable had equal throw in both directions.

I am gonna try putting new ends on the motor end and see it that helps. This is a throw issue. I am missing 1/4 inch of making it into all three positions.

 

[chicknwing]

Re: Morse Controls MNS-D with 3300 Cable "Ultimate Frustration" it continues...

Re: Morse Controls MNS-D with 3300 Cable "Ultimate Frustration" it continues...

So I am back revisiting this issue. I had determined that my cables indeed were worn out and needed replaced. So my buddy the yamaha guy got me a set of Yamaha premium cables, super nice universal cable btw, We went through the whole thing again, and finally, Success, until....this morning I drug the rig to his shop and threw it on the tank, after we finished the carbs, he said hey throw it in gear, so i threw it in forward and click, click click, backed it out real quick, dumbfounded....he said try reverse...so I did and bang right in gear, made several adjustments and tried again...no success. I am still having the same issue. We did find an old tracker control box that is essentially the same as the morse I have. We noticed the shifter arm was reversed from how mine sits, so we changed that. made adjustments again and still same thing, one gear and neutral, never can I get all 3 to hit.

We also found lying around his shop a merc control box and cables (production date 4/06) I brought it home...dunno if it will help but...i would have to modify the cable attachment points on the motor....any thoughts on doing this?

TC

 

[chicknwing]

Re: Morse Controls MNS-D with 3300 Cable Ultimate Frustration UPDATED

Re: Morse Controls MNS-D with 3300 Cable Ultimate Frustration UPDATED

Just wanted to post an update, The rig is in working order, what frustration, I could have never figured this thing out without this forum. I love that little search button!

So what was the problem?

First, the fork on the lower shift rod had somehow slipped off the yoke on the shift pin. Second, the yoke was worn out. I finally figured this out by reading old threads, I found one where someone had mentioned the yoke would not allow equal travel in both directions if it was worn, so i decided that I would go into the l/u, Thursday my parts arrived, Friday I got my first chance to examine the old yoke next to the new one. To say the least I was surprised the thing would shift at all, There had to be a couple 16ths of material missing from the old one. I replaced it all. I had also noticed the bosses on the gears and dog showed a little wear, so out came the dremel and I squared those up. Reassembly seemed like it was going too easy and Murphy came along. It took 6 tries to get the yoke and shift rod to sit correctly, (my fault), Clymers kept saying to move the shift rod to ensure the dog was moving correctly, but every time I moved it the forks would come off the yoke. I decided on the last try to just not move the thing, and finally success. I refused to move the shift rod until the l/u was remounted to the engine and all controls were hooked up. Once it was all set up I moved the controls and bang, all was right.

Took it to the water and the family had to go along, so needless to say I did not get to test it before everyone wanted to ride. Thankfully, my buddy has a portable test tank and we got to test it there before I left. The thing shifts like it is brand new. No hesitation, no noise, (except the expected clunk) flawless.

I did notice my carbs seemed to be loading up while idle cruising, guess I will need to adjust the mixture and all should be fine.

Thanks again to iboats for these forums and to all who have come before us and posted, those old posts are helpful. Oh yeah, thanks to everyone who posted ideas and thoughts

TC