Motor Mounts for a 4.3L Merc

Woodonglass

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Re: Motor Mounts for a 4.3L Merc

Search for friscoboater, he has a lot of pics and videos that will show you ALL you need to know. Labor intensive but you can do it.
 

jasonbrodsky

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Day 1... Bought a canopy to help keep sun off and installed. Started watching friscoboater, awesome videos! Starting rip out tomorrow. Harbor freight was my best friend today.

I will post pics as I progress with project.. New motor is dying to be installed.

Have a better idea for engine mount area too. Instead of using lag bolts again I am going make it so I can use a grade 8 bolt going through a 4x4 and tighten down with a washer and nut. How does that sound?
 

rickryder

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Hi Jason,

Some people through bolt the mounts.... I kinda like the idea of a carriage bolt up through the bottom and epoxied in....then you'll have studs sticking up that you can install nuts and washers..... You wont need to try and reach under the mount to hold the bolt head....my .02
 

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wellcraft classic.......love those mounts.....good job.

post more pics of your progress on this tear down....

we will guide you where ever we can
 

jasonbrodsky

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Is there a special process for removing an Alpha I gimbal?

I am starting the tear out tonight after work. The wifie let me buy a bunch of tools yesterday to help cut that nasty wood out of our toy.. I have not tested the transom yet, but watched alot of Friscoboater's videos.. He stated in one of hisvideos that they make some type of product that will keep would from getting worst or stop the rotting of the wood.. Do any of you know what he was talking about, or should just cust and replace regardless?
 

wellcraft-classic210

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Jason

Sounds like your making progress!

From a mechanical strength perspective the wood is the weak link. In many cases bolts can easily overpower and compress (smash and weaken ) the wood. Cases such as this where you cannot get to the head the bolt would add limited vaue and add some risk of damage if overtightened.

Using lags that are as long as the original ones will be sufficient.

However;

If you really want to add strength with bolts; bolting to some sort of metal will be required to make it effective. Using a harder wood such as white oak or ash will aslo add strength if you want to stay with lags and its less cost & labor. (White oak has better rot resistance)



As you can see in the pics I posted for you earlier I lag bolted some plates of Aluminum to my stringers. 1 inch deep Threaded holes and stainless steel bolts hold the mounts. The aluminum will spread the weight should the stringer start to rot in the future. It also allowed the use of pressure teated lumber which is not a hardwood. Many would argue this was overkill but I had the materials on hand and a long winter work on it. Cabin Fever / Mad Science -- you decide???

1 Note -- ( Pressure treated lumber is best when aged a bit to allow it to dry & shrink before usage )



I supoose you could add some plates to the bolt heads ( welded or square holes and cairage bolts to prevent spinning of the studs and allowing them to spread any tightening forces. These would need to be imbedded in the stringers as well.

Also -- Check out us composite web site for epoxy and polyester resins & cloth. http://www.uscomposites.com/
West system epoxies are very good also but more expensive. ( correction ) Polyester resin has less adhesion strength when adhering to cured fiberglass but is apparently quite sufficient according to those who have used it . As far a strengthening or patching rotted wood I personally would avoid that if you have the engine out and are going this far. Rotted wood starts with prolonged wetness and the resulting occurence of mold which breaks it down. Thats what you are trying to stop and avoid. The repair will tend to last longer if no molds are present. Sealing all new wood withresinis also key to longevity. If you decide to patch -- soaking rotted wood with resin, adding cloth where possible or using Tigerhair body filler are among the options.

Hope this helps. Its really your call as I am sure you are aware.
 

jasonbrodsky

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@wellcraft..

Looking at the pics you sent me; yes that is the exact idea I had for the new motor mounts. Looks so much more stable. What about weight? Should I be concerned about the weight of the aluminum?

Is the Tigerhair used to make "Peanut Butter"

Once I have the deck open, I for sure need to let it air out. I understand about mold and rotting wood. The part I have already opened dried up in the Texas sun however I it is being replaced.

I know I am getting a little ahead of myself, but I have heard the term 1708.. What exactly is that? I went onto US Composites to figure the costs but couldn't find anything that said 1708... Is there a chart for mixing the resins?
 

wellcraft-classic210

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Correction -- It added weight is about 5 lbs per side or less- They were about 10 x 6.5 x 1/2 with a 2.5 x 5 x 1/2 added section where the mounts go. ( Aluminum weighs 169 lbs per cubic foot )

Pretty sure 1708 is a fiberglass cloth type. Not sure who sells it.

Peanut buter is resin with fillers to thicken it to the consistency of peanut butter.

Tiger hair is a polyester resin type base with fibers in the can. Use for a quick patch.

The US Composite epoxy(s) come with various hardeners and the ratio is listed in the name, 3-1 is probably what you want. I have not worked wuith thier Poly but its apparently good also. You can get a pump set for under $10 and count squirts for an easier way to work.

West system epoxy has some great info. for examples of projects and ways to use epoxy. Time well spent to review those.

Also once wood gets moldy the partial decay has started. Drying it out will stop the mold growth but it will restart quickly if the moistue level raises again. So being aggressive on wood replacement is the better bet. That said thier also needs to be a balance on cost & labor issues.
 

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1708 is a specialty fabric.....17 oz diagonal weave on top stitched to 3/4oz csm. http://www.uscomposites.com/specialty.html

PB is made of either epoxy or poly resin,cabosil and 1/4" glass fibers.... if you rebuilding your boat with poly you must use poly in your PB
Poly will not bond to epoxy....but epoxy will bond to poly...

Epoxy is much better but also much more expensive if you doing an entire gut job.
 

jasonbrodsky

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Question.... What are the stringers? Are they plywood cut to size?
 

rickryder

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Stringers are kinda like the floor joists in your home... Most of us make them out of 3/4" plywood cut to fit the shape of the hull and tall enough to set the deck on top of... You also have bulkheads that run across your boat....they act as the walls of your bilge,fuel tank compartment and ski locker if so equiped.

Check Woodonglass's signature....he has stringer,transom and bulkhead layout there. It will help you understand the concept ;)
 

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And before everyone here talks you into Epoxy - be sure to check out 95% of the restore threads, where they are using Poly. Boats are originally made out of Poly, so there is no reason not to use it. Epoxy will be 2x the cost.
 

wellcraft-classic210

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Guys
Good points about the use and cost of polyester resins. I corrected my post per your input.

I was not aware of the amount of success that people have had with it. Relatively new to all this.



Thanks.
 

jasonbrodsky

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Guys... QUESTION... Having a ton of fun demoing this boat..

anyways.. I have decided to pull off all the side padding and have run into a little glitch. I have a flush mounted remote engine/throttle controll from Merucry, MERCURY 4000 GEN II MOUNT ENGINE CONTROL BOX or part# 883709 A01.

I am having problems removing it so I can remove all of the side panels; no I am not going to replace them but they have other panels attached to them and in order to get to the side of the hull to sand these have to be gone. Any suggestions?

MERCURY 4000 GEN II MOUNT ENGINE CONTROL BOX.jpg
 

Struc

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The unit comes apart so you can remove it. I just can't remember how, and every one is different anyway. Best bet would be to try and google for an instruction manual for it.
 

jasonbrodsky

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I had to take some time for personal things and mothers day and now I am back on the project full force.

I know I am alittle far from this however, I was wondering.. The bielge pump... It needs to be replaced.. The on that was there looked like it is physically attached to the hull. Any suggestions on a good replacement?

Also... The strings can I use 1x6's? The seem stronger that just plywood.

I have also decided to gel coat the entire deck when I am finished.. Can gel coat be sprayed on or is it better to roll it?

Pictures of my progress to follow.
 
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