motor reving up at startup 87 force 125hp

[wildmaninal]

Re: motor reving up at startup 87 force 125hp

:redface:I will see about shifting it at the motor tomorrow, look like it might be easy don't know why I didn't think about shifting it out at the motor in the first place:redface:. How about the rpms am I ok there, might just need to wait till I get the prop back and see how it idles in the water when I take it for another test run. At least I got the trolling motor working lol, it worked before I made the deal on the boat then it quit working after I got it home. Sorry about the ranting and raving yall.

 

[emoney]

Re: motor reving up at startup 87 force 125hp

Put the prop back on and see where it's idling. 1400 is a tad on the high side but no "so" out of whack. Could also be that the new tach is a little "off", but again, you'll know better when the prop is in place. As for the shifting issue, the pics that help these guys identify how to help are of the "control box" up by the helm, so when you go back and check the shifting, take your camera and post up a shot or two of them.

 

[jerryjerry05]

Re: motor reving up at startup 87 force 125hp

Unhook the shift cable at the connector on the rear of the cable.
Motor off.Push the shifter to the front all the time turning the prop shaft.
Then push it to the rear all the time turning the shaft.
It should click into gear both ways.
If it doesn't work both ways then the linkage,or shift shaft could be binding??

 

[wildmaninal]

Re: motor reving up at startup 87 force 125hp

As for the shifting issue, the pics that help these guys identify how to help are of the "control box" up by the helm, so when you go back and check the shifting, take your camera and post up a shot or two of them.

Oops well.......alright when I get off work this afternoon I will see about getting a pic of it, I believe its the original controls because its built into the hull. I will try to get a pic might be a little hard though. Just hope I don't end up having to buy another shifting cable, but if that's what it takes oh well.

 

[SwampThing]

Re: motor reving up at startup 87 force 125hp

Didn't have time to read through the whole thread but if the boat sat for over a year then it's time to give a it a maintenance go through.
REPLACE the fuel pump diaphragm. REPLACE the primer bulb. Clean the recirc lines, Link and synce as mentioned, clean carbs, Adjust cables - can be a BIG pain in the arse to get proper adjustment sometimes, the fact that you had issues with reverse tells me you need to check them and the shift tower for proper operation.

ALSO; you might want to get rid of that stainless prop and go back to the OEM aluminum prop. That prop weights more than twice that of the aluminum prop and could be causing some of your RPM issues. I've been warned by several old school Chrysler marine division racing techs to NEVER use a stainless prop on a Force motor of this vintage as the output shaft bearings cannot handle the weight of the stainless prop. They weren't designed to handle it and will eventually fail because of it. Don't know the validity of that info but these are guys that built and raced for Chrysler Marine Division for years. They should know what they're talking about. And if nothing else, the Force doesn't have a shear pin, hit something with that prop and you can kiss your lower unit good by.

 

[wildmaninal]

Re: motor reving up at startup 87 force 125hp

I did get to shift the motor into reverse at the motor, shifted easily. As I suspected I was not able to get a picture of the inside of the control box it is built in to the hull like I said.

Swamp thing..... I done cleaned the carbs, replaced the bulb, took the fuel pump apart checked the diaphram, replaced all the fuel lines, and did the link and sync. I mentioned this earlier in this thread. Gonna wait till I get it in the water to see how it does on the idle. I would think you could mess up the lower unit with an aluminum prop as well if there is no sheer pin. Am I wrong for staying with a stainless steel prop? Anybody?

Heres a pic of the outside of the control box. Where do I go from here? How do adjust the shifting?

 

[emoney]

Re: motor reving up at startup 87 force 125hp

There's got to be screws holding that box into the sidewell. You may have to remove a "cover" or something? These are usually added at the dealership, not at the factory. It may "look" like it's molded in, but you MUST have access to the cables. Maybe the whole bottom part of the controls "hooks" in? Someone may come along that has that exact version and share with you how it comes off, but it will come off. You can take a mirror and put it into the side panel from below the steering wheel it looks like. That way you can see if there's maybe a nut or bolt that holds the control in place?

I know you don't "want" to replace the cable, but they do go bad after time. It's not a difficult job, just requires that you tie a rope to the old before you pull it out so you can use that rope to fish the new one back in it's place. Hopefully you won't have to, but if your luck is anywhere near mine, get ready.

 

[wildmaninal]

Re: motor reving up at startup 87 force 125hp

I know you don't "want" to replace the cable, but they do go bad after time. It's not a difficult job, just requires that you tie a rope to the old before you pull it out so you can use that rope to fish the new one back in it's place. Hopefully you won't have to, but if your luck is anywhere near mine, get ready.

I had to put new cables on that challenger boat I use to have so I know what u are talking about. Lol I hear ya about luck.. I'm just glad it shifted at the motor, deffinetly don't feel like forking out 500 for another foot. I might have to wait till this weekend before I can tackle that control box if that is where the adjustment needs to be done. Who know the control box might be warn out, hope not, it shifts fine and throttles up fine in forward gear. On the up side my prop should be done tomorrow maybe I can take the boat out soon. The man said he did have to add some metal here and there. I didn't think the prop was in that bad of shape, I was wrong. It should be like New when I get it back.

 

[emoney]

Re: motor reving up at startup 87 force 125hp

I figured you had a lump in your throat as soon as I recommended check the shift at the motor. I know I would have. Good news on the prop, and this shifter cable is nothing, so no troubles no bubbles there. If you've got someone to help you, then get someone to shift into reverse at the helm while you watch the cable at the motor. That way, you'll be able to absolutely verify it's not a simple screw adjustment back there. Odds are it's not, but it's the smart to check first, and then tear into the controls. If the cable's shifting fine into forward, it may just need adjusted at the block. You'll be able to tell, because it's a "throw adjustment' if that makes sense. In essence, is there enough movement of the cable to shift the lever into reverse. Try that first, then tear out the controls (i'm being redundant here, aren't I, lol)

 

[wildmaninal]

Re: motor reving up at startup 87 force 125hp

Alright I will get my girlfriend to help me maybe tomorrow she's helped me out on the boat a little so far. I will get her to shift it while I watch the cable at the motor. i appreciate the help.

 

[wildmaninal]

Re: motor reving up at startup 87 force 125hp

I checked the motion of the shifting cable at the motor while my girlfriend shifted it into reverse at the control, nothing seems to be loose. It is just not moving the shifting arm far enough back to go in reverse. So I guess it is time to look at the control box, this is going to be a lot of fun......not........