My kid didn't pass!! It's the state's fault!!

JasonB

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Re: My kid didn't pass!! It's the state's fault!!

I see much of this as part of a larger social problem. This country has become a nation of passing the buck.

Kid failed in school? Must be the school's fault. Couldn't be the parent's fault for not paying attention to the kid. Yes, I understand many families need both parents working and commutes are long, but as a parent, the buck stops with YOU. I'm responsible for making sure my kids are getting good education. Bad school? find a way to get them in somewhere else, even if you have to move, or work to make it better.

Too many parents expect the school to raise their kids by teaching them math and discipline at the same time but them don't want their child to get in trouble with the teacher. When I was a kid, we had parent teacher conferences every couple months around report card time. I grew up in a single parent house after age 11 and my Mom worked long hours to make ends meet. She always made time to come by the school and talk to each of my teachers. They would discuss how I was doing, then discuss discipline. Granted, it was a small town, but each of my teachers knew that they had reasonable latitude in putting me back in line, then call my Mom and I would get it again at home. She also found time to make sure I did my homework.

No, with today's system, I really don't want teachers paddling my children (I have two, not school age yet), but a teacher should have no fear in calling me to tell me that my child is out of line. As a parent, I will help them rectify the situation. They have to maintain order in the classroom for the benefit of all students.

Something else to consider, how many of us grew up with a mom that stayed at home at least until the kids were in school? Mine did until the divorce. How many homes are single parent now? Not picking on single parents here, but guys, I think it's usually men who don't step up to the plate here. As a movie line once said (paraprase), any male can be a daddy, it takes a man to be a father.

We are blessed that my wife is able to stay home with our two kids. It does mean that we don't get that shiny new car, eat out every day, etc, but I do see the rewards of it. My oldest is 3 1/2. She wanted to know about us landing on the moon Saturday night. She can walk outside and point our Saturn and Venus in the night sky, knows her abc's, counts to 20, etc.

My point is, many of the problems with our education system are self inflicted.

Parents not doing their job
Low teacher pay
expecting schools to raise children

Spending time griping that Johnny failed a class... kids generally don't just fail a class at the last minute... It usually takes about 8-10 months and report cards come out at regular intervals during that time.

This isn't a political statement, but, It doesn't take a village to raise a child. A good village of friends and family helps, but what it really takes is parents that give a **** about their kids and gives their kids priority over lesser pursuits.

Stepping of my soapbox now and putting on my firesuit after that last comment....
 

Haut Medoc

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They 'dumbed down" the WASL's in Washington as well, 'cuz 'The Victims' couldn't pass.....:rolleyes:
Trouble is that they can't pass a urine test either!......;)
 

i386

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A good village of friends and family helps, but what it really takes is parents that give a **** about their kids and gives their kids priority over lesser pursuits.

Spot on.
 

Esox

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Parenting is a big responsibility and is very time consuming. Children need a lot of guidance, support, and encouragement at home ,too.
If people don't have the time for their children they shouldn't have children. Parents are responsible for how a child develops. Trusting your child's rearing to strangers is not parenting.
Check out the streets in Any City, USA and see what the kids sre up to when the parents aren't around.

I agree 100%. If "parents" don't have the time to be parents they should have thought about that before they had kids.
 

RCSConstruction

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Originally Posted by ricksrster View Post
Parenting is a big responsibility and is very time consuming. Children need a lot of guidance, support, and encouragement at home ,too.
If people don't have the time for their children they shouldn't have children. Parents are responsible for how a child develops. Trusting your child's rearing to strangers is not parenting.
Check out the streets in Any City, USA and see what the kids sre up to when the parents aren't around.




I agree 100%. If "parents" don't have the time to be parents they should have thought about that before they had kids.


Your either not a parent or RICH.
I worked my arse into the ground to provide for my kid. Life was either working or spending time with my wife and daughter. No time for anything else. Lost touch with all my longtime friends. I made great sacrifices to better my family and it required me to be away long hours. Fock me for depending on my daughter's teachers to give her a good education?????????:mad:
If your saying that parents who don't work, are lazy and generally don't give a crap cause problems, then I would agree but don't blame the hard working parents who are trying their best to give their kid a better life. We count on a good, wholesome education.
 

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Schools should expect students to come to school ready to learn, if not send them home. What students have learned and can do should be the primary measure of educational success, not attitude, attendance or qualifications of the teacher. Private school students usually outperform public school students, pay their teachers less, have much more order and discipline in school and lower dropout rates. Most parents have to sacrifice to send them there but feel it is worth it. Long observation has shown that lousy, ineffective instruction is usually tolerated but schoolbus or lunchroom problems bring parents out on the warpath in a hurry and heaven forbid that the school schedule should in any way interfere with the family vacation.
 

ricksrster

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Re: My kid didn't pass!! It's the state's fault!!

Originally Posted by ricksrster View Post
Parenting is a big responsibility and is very time consuming. Children need a lot of guidance, support, and encouragement at home ,too.
If people don't have the time for their children they shouldn't have children. Parents are responsible for how a child develops. Trusting your child's rearing to strangers is not parenting.
Check out the streets in Any City, USA and see what the kids sre up to when the parents aren't around.








Your either not a parent or RICH.
I worked my arse into the ground to provide for my kid. Life was either working or spending time with my wife and daughter. No time for anything else. Lost touch with all my longtime friends. I made great sacrifices to better my family and it required me to be away long hours. Fock me for depending on my daughter's teachers to give her a good education?????????:mad:
If your saying that parents who don't work, are lazy and generally don't give a crap cause problems, then I would agree but don't blame the hard working parents who are trying their best to give their kid a better life. We count on a good, wholesome education.
I work also. My kid did very well in school. We did things together after school, weekends, vacations etc. My kid went to church and Sunday school. participated in good youth activities. He is not in prison or on drugs. He is an engineer doing much better than I have.
He now is a parent himself bringing up his child the same way. Praising the little one's good feats and correcting him when he errors.
Every one has to work. But children need your time, too. No it is not easy.
 

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Your either not a parent or RICH...
I worked my arse into the ground to provide for my kid... No time for anything else. ... Fock me for depending on my daughter's teachers to give her a good education?????????
Did somebody force you to have kids? It was your choice and it's your choice whether or not they succeed.

Big clue for ya- if you're waiting for someone else to make your kids successfull, then you'll be waiting a long time.

It is simply not enough anymore to "work hard" for your family. You have to check their homework every night. Talk to their teachers at least a few times a semester and find out how they're doing. Be involved or your kids wont make it.
 

JasonB

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The key words here are personal responsibility. It's MY responsibility to make sure MY kids are taken care of and get an education, not the government's. Public education, private education, or home school are the modes I can choose from. Yes, the school has a responsibility to perform adequately. If they do not, I either fire them from teaching my child and use a different school, or I find a way to help fix the problems at the school. It is my choice. While I can't really afford private school, if it became necessary, we would try to find a way. I somewhat look at schools like a prepaid service with no refunds. Like most any other service, I have the choice to go elsewhere.

It's the same way with many government services. If someone chooses to rely on the government to educate their children, maybe I can interest then in another wonderful government run program for the masses, Social inSecurity. Sorry, I digress.

There are some wonderful public schools and great dedicated teachers out there. The ones that are good, don't mind parental involvement and checking on things. In fact, they usually encourage it. It generally makes their jobs easier.

<putting on flack jacket>
 

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Re: My kid didn't pass!! It's the state's fault!!

Did somebody force you to have kids? It was your choice and it's your choice whether or not they succeed.

Big clue for ya- if you're waiting for someone else to make your kids successfull, then you'll be waiting a long time.

It is simply not enough anymore to "work hard" for your family. You have to check their homework every night. Talk to their teachers at least a few times a semester and find out how they're doing. Be involved or your kids wont make it.


You have it all worked out don't you?
Luckily for me, I became successful quicker than most and can NOW spend time with my kids.
In your "arrogant" mind military shouldn't have kids either,eh?

At-War Soldiers' Kids Suffer At Home
Long, Repeated Military Deployments Can Often Result In Child Neglect And Abuse.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/31/health/webmd/main3120238.shtml

I will continue to work "hard" and my kids will continue to be "successful" at school, thank you very much...:(
 

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http://newteachersupport.suite101.com/article.cfm/secondjobsfornewteachers

Help for new teachers in finding the "right" second job!!!!
Nope, it's not about the money, blame the liberal parents...:rolleyes:
Signing off......

And the new engineer, doctor, computer tech, nurse and architect all start at lower wages. What, you think she should get 50k just starting out? With time, the pay will increase. It's called reality.
 

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I guess all parents are victims. Maybe all parents should become liberals so they can whine for more cheese.
 

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Those parents who spend lots of time with their kids because they want to and not because they have to or feel obligated to have nothing to worry about. Their kids will be unstoppable juggernauts of learning almost regardless of which school they go to or which teachers they get. So stop worrying so much, they'll be fine. If you know you don't spend much time with them, you'd better be very worried about which school and which friends they have, because that's who they're learning from. Lawyers, worthless judges, and deadbeat parents are making it almost impossible for schools to do their best job of educating kids. People are so strange today. Some don't want anyone to spank their kids. I welcome pretty much any responsible adult spanking my boy's rear if my son is in their care and would be disappointed if they didn't if he was doing wrong--yes, he'll get another one when he gets home. Good people can't help correct kids anymore for fear of crazy parents or greedy lawyers. Good news though---courteous, trustworthy, hardworking kids are so rare now that you parents who made them that way can be guaranteed that they'll do well for themselves!
 
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