My kid got attacked by a dog

[technostingray]

Re: My kid got attacked by a dog

Dog hater.

 

[QC]

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Well a little bit of an update. As of right now Luke is still among the living. I have not spoken to Jeff for a few days. Apparently their kids are begging him to keep him. I did not really expect this, but now we have a little bit of a conflict at home too . . . Mrs. QC is basically saying it is their call. Oddly enough about 12 years ago we had a neighbor's dog do a similar thing to one of their own kids and another neighbor's kid. I went with the other neighbor to see the offending dog's owner to suggest he put the dog down. The three families were very friendly and we lived two doors apart each direction; barbecues, dinners, kids played together, same ages all around, the whole deal. Anyway, the guy was offended that we spoke with him, and he never spoke to either of us again, wives either . . . :^ He ended up putting the dog down anyway. What a stupid mess that was.

With that history and a reminder from Aldo that Brian's head (the inside part) kinda matters too, I am still treading lightly. The thing that keeps bugging me though is that basically Luke tried to kill Brian. If he had been successful, there would've been no discussion by anybody and Luke would be gone. Soooooo the only difference is that Luke's aim was slightly off. This should be enough to settle the whole discussion.

Please don't attack me with the "I'd have been over there and done it myself if Jeff isn't man enough to do the deal" stuff. I am just sharing this whole experience, and will continue to. I am definitely struggling with this and it is not over yet by any stretch. Even the school nurse started showing some interest in the whole thing yesterday, and this may end up with a little mind of its own.

BTW, Brian is doing fine, stitches come out tomorrow and he went to Baseball practice last night etc.

 

[technostingray]

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If your son was a complete stranger that broke into the house to steal the TV set and the dog did that, the dog needs to be put down.

Say what? That must be a typo. I would personally cook the dog a steak dinner for biting a burglar!

There have been cases litigated when a dog has bitten a burglar, As long as the burglar is still in the house he is not burglar. He is guilty of breaking and entering or unautorized entry. You have mail.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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If your son was a complete stranger that broke into the house to steal the TV set and the dog did that, the dog needs to be put down.

Say what? That must be a typo. I would personally cook the dog a steak dinner for biting a burglar!

RF, let's hope you have your beware of dog signs up.
Here in Kentucky you have to have a sign up on your house and on your property(grounds), then they are fair game.

I love my little sign that I have up.
"My Rotts can get to the gate in 5 seconds, how about you?"

 

[QC]

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FWIW 18R. Jeff is a fine dog owner and doesn't take any carp form the dog or the family. I am letting it steep a little. Maybe a mistake, but that's what I am doing. If anybody here has seen me mention a "Jeff" before or close friends that are neighbors, this is not the same family. With the other one, I would direct this, with this Jeff I am trusting him to do the right thing.

 

[18rabbit]

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FWIW 18R. Jeff is a fine dog owner ...

Apparently not; not if his dog is biting people. Dogs are not born people biters. They are either trained into that task or allowed to seek a placing in the stacking order that allows them to think they dominate people, or dominate a select group of people.

I understand this guy is a close friend of yours. I am not saying the dog was mistreated. I am saying the dog was not properly raised and/or controlled. That is your friend’s responsibility…to make sure the dog knows he is at the bottom and that people ALWAYS dominate.

That dog may be the greatest animal in the world to that family because they are a pack. Your son was from outside of the dog’s pack. Obviously, the dog does not see all people as dominant. So it may even be that the dog does not see everyone in his own pack as dominating him. Either way, it is only a matter of time before someone gets nailed…again. Wouldn't be surprised to learn your son was not the first victim of that dog. That's why I said the owner is a fool not to put that dog down.

I’m discussing the dog from the inside out. Knowing how it works makes it easier to train a dog, to establish dominance in a dog’s world, to integrate a dog into a family. What matters to you is that a dog bit your child and that same dog has the potential to do it again. In fact, QC, I promise you that dog is already PROGRAMMED TO DO IT AGAIN! Putting down the dog is not your decision to make. I wouldn’t even go there, if I were you. But keeping your children away from that animal is both your decision to make, and your responsibility to bear.

Have you fully considered the implication of the involvement of the school’s nurse?

 

[tommays]

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Around here there would be NO what the owner wants the dog would be with animal control


It would be evaluated and if it showed aggressive behavior that would be that other than some very rare cases

They will allow ONE minor bite on number two its over

Tommays

 

[JB]

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Ray, that sounds like a California law. Apparently it is similar in Kentucky.

Seems to me that if someone breaks and enters and is shot by the resident (that he didn't know was home and armed) the baddy is just out of luck. Why wouldn't he be just as out of luck if he is shredded by a family pet that he didn't know was home and protective?

Many years ago the LOML and I went next door to play cards, leaving our three teen daughters and 6 year old son in care of our Irish Setter, Sport. Someone entered the home through the patio door and was attacked by Sport. He escaped but was clearly chewed up a bit, as he left bodily fluid all over the carpet and pitiful shreiks all over the neighborhood. Cops never caught him. This was in Texas, by the way, about 1974.

Are you telling me that I would be in trouble if he was caught?

 

[imported_Boatbuoy]

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If that is the law, the thinking must be the same as that for a lethal "booby trap", which the law doesn't like either.

 

[RPJS]

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Intresting reading Spinners post on warning signs. Here in the UK the law is totaly the opposite, if you have a "beware of the dog" sign you are aware of the fact that your dog may attack and therefore are legaly responsable if it does.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Your all in a tough spot QC, that is your family and the other. Iv'e handled a lot of dog's in my time, and there have been a few with just a damm nasty temper, iv'e never kept one with that condition simply becasue i do not like that quality in a dog, i have my own issue's if you know what i mean.....:}

Maybe it's time to see a good vet here, They are pro's and cant determine if there is something out of order. One thing i can tell you and i hate to beat on this because i guess it could have been accidental, but i do not like the ideal of any dog biting a human in the face or throat area, that's a very bad issue in my book, having hunting dog's i can tell you that is how they put to end the game there gunning for..

Trust your instinct's QC you have good one's,,,,,,,

 

[technostingray]

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JB, I believe the statute of limitations on biting dogs is seven years. .

 

[QC]

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I am gonna call Jeff just to see how he's doing. I have not been clear about something else here. Luke is in Quarantine. That's what my wife said she was told by Jeff's wife. For all I know at this point Jeff may have already made his mind up, and Luke is done after the Quarantine.

18R,

Frankly I was hoping the nurse does get involved as that makes the social issues of this go away . . . Also, how in heck do you know how the dog behaved prior to this issue? Not trying to pick a fight, but I think Jeff does have some previous experience with hunting dogs, training etc. This is an assumption on my part, because of previous discussions I've had with his kids, him and his parents. I have never asked him "are you a competent dog owner?".

I am serious about Aldo's comments as well. Maybe he'll chime in, but ultimately my selfish concerns are with Brian of course. The only reason I care about Luke's disposition is the risk of someone else getting hurt or worse. From all of the pieces that I can put together here; pack issue, Alpha issue, poor training, whatever, Luke has a screw loose. No provocation, no food, no toy, no playing, no commotion, no nuttin' that explains this reaction. I didn't say excuses, explains . . .

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Nope, in Kentucky if someone breaks into your house, they had better be trying to do you bodily harm before you shoot them.
If you have the beware of dog signs out, then they know what they have in/on that property.

I do not raise my Rotts for that, but I do keep one in the house with us and the 2 JRs, now ain't that a funny sight.

I think the JR's would do more damage than the Rott.d

 

[POINTER94]

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At christmas I posted that I had found a black lab puppy. Well the guy that took her had just put down his yellow lab. It was just over a year old. One day out of the blue, his playful, loving family pet started growling and biting family members. He is a competitive trainer of dogs. He took it to the vet, and nothing seemed wrong with it. He eventually had to put it down. And this was a lab????

Dogs can go nuts just like people. No reasons or explaination.

QC, glad to hear your friend made it easier for everyone. It is the right decision.

 

[QC]

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Just for clarity, I have not confirmed that Jeff will have the dog put down. Just that he is currently in Quarantine.

 

[imported_Boatbuoy]

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Maybe he's bipolar and just needs proper medication. Some thorazine might take care of the problem. Come to think of it, thorazine might help some around here. Hey, it might just help me. Who said that?

 

[Dunaruna]

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[colour=blue]For the record - IMO Luke should be put down.

But there are consequences to that, not the least of which is at least 2 children (and possibly three) being devastated by the lose of a family member and best pal. As Kevins' friend, my concern is squarely focused on Brian's feelings on the matter, how would he react when/if Luke is put down? He may feel guilty, he may be happy. He may be confused. That's something for Mr & Mrs QC to weigh up but I do know from experience that guilt is a distinct possibility and at 11y/o, that in itself will cause problems.

Spaniels are hunting dogs, period. It's only training and domestication that turn them into pets. It doesn't matter if Brian provoked the attack or not, if the dog is allowed around children, it should be muzzled or correctly trained - clearly niether was the case. As someone mentioned, a throat is a fair target for a hunting dog. If blame needs to be set, set it on the dogs owner, Jeff.

Alternatives to the needle are available. Cool heads need to make that determination.

 

[technostingray]

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What can I say Aldo. Maybe it is the blue print.

 

[Boomyal]

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[colour=blue]For the record - IMO Luke should be put down.

But there are consequences to that, not the least of which is at least 2 children (and possibly three) being devastated by the lose of a family member and best pal. \

IMHO, it is one of lifes lessons that young chirdren need to be presented with reality and truthfullness. It may not lessen the hurt but will launch them off into adulthood with a realistic view of the world. This kind of thing is not exactly like having to tell them that there is no Santa Claus.

If they are absolutely too young for the truth, then make up a story or deflect, but do not shy away from doing right.

Man was given dominion over all, including the beloved pooch. When the pooch has crossed the line, he cannot be trusted again. Many a dog owner has wished that he heeded such a warning.