My new Mark lll Futura I am so ready for summer

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Hello all Forum Members.

I have been researching this forum for a few weeks now ever since I have been looking for which model of boat for my family to purchase

I have to say thank you for all the members post's here as you all seem very wise in the boat department.Which helped me a geat deal when purchasing my new boat.

Just recieved yesturday and stayed up all night putting it together.

I am still waiting for the 60HP Evinrude ETec that is going on the back should be here in the next 2 or 3 weeks I hope.

Again Thank you forum members that have so much knowledge to share on related topics within this forum.

I will eventually "Pimp my Ride" I already have many ideas.

Has anyone here used those 70 Liter soft tanks from access? R they any good? and how much are they?
 
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WHAT??!!?? No picture?!

Congratulations on the boat. 60HP! Sounds like a blast.

I wasn't kidding, we want pictures.
 
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As requested Rat you were one of the members I was referring to. Thank you
 

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That's pretty sick TE. Great looking boat. What kind of water you going to be taking her out in?
 
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Unfortanately I only have marginal lakes around my home with at most 4 foot waves but I hope this boat will rip it up.

I have 3 boys oldest being 9 and I want them to grow up tubing,water skiing,snorkeling and so on.This boat I hope will cover all these needs.

I am also hoping it will let me start skiing again but I weigh 245lbs so we will have to see what she is capable of pulling as I am dead wieght out of the water LOL.

Rat is it ok if I place stainless high grade eye hooks into the pre exsisting holes in the transom fasten with washer and nut on the inside then hook up a ski rope with bridal and pull skiers and tubers or am I risking damaging my boat?

I bet you have some awesome water ways down south.

Cheers David
 
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Be sure to get drop forged eyebolts, don't use stainless bent or machined eye bolts. You might check out the Wichard eyebolts at West Marine or something similar at a local supplier. Just a little more expensive, but strong and rated. If you want use a sling to lift the boat you should consider adding backing plates to the through transom assembly. I was told I needed to add plates to my drop forged eyebolts to meet requirements for a local state owned lift.
No backing plates yet
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I am jealous of your new boat. Should be interesting what sort of top speed you get with the new 60. I run an old 40 two stroke on my ancient mk11 futura and it hits 29 mph with a full load on the boat. It is a little slow for great single ski action, but it zips my fat crew wakeboarding. A bridal works fine and is the only way to go with a tube. I have installed a short ski pole on my zodiac and it really helps get you up and out of the water. I am sure you and your boys will have great fun.
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Good Day Nobrainsd,

First off Thank you for all your Zodiac Knowledge your posts are also what convinced me to go with the inflatable zodiac.

Those seats rock I am definately going to get some. That sling is a great Idea for storage during the winter months in my garage. I was researching boat seats here on iboats and seems to be alot to choose from.

Are those custom racks for hanging ski's off the side?If so where can I get some.

Have you heard anything about those 70 Liter Flexible fuel tanks from Access.
I am trying to now figure out what will be the best configuration for my fuel and battery in the back.

I am thinking to mount the fuel tank on the opposite side of driver in the rear corner that way at least when alone the fuel will help with counter wieght.
Then I will place the battery directly behind driver. Any suggestions or lesson's learn't?

Also in your opinion what is the best way to mount these.


P.S Your boat is awesome and I love looking at picture's that have ingenius custom work done.


I honestly believe that this boat offers total freedom on the water and that is worth every penny that will be spent.


Cheers David
 
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TE, your boat should be awesome for water sports. Pulling a really heavy skier with the transom could be a bit much for it. I really don't know. I pull kids on a tube with mine and it isn't a problem. You might check with the manufacturer to see what they have to say about it.
 

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Hmmm, The fatboy towing abuse hasn't pulled my repaired transom off yet... Zodiac does show people skiing behind Mk111's on their website.

The racks are for surfboards. I have a couple of different set ups for my boat. Homemade out of SpeedRail aluminum fittings. Adult Tinker toys. Check them out. The racks extend and attach to both sides of the bench for strength.
http://www.hollaender.com/

If you can figure out anyway to have your fuel tank and battery forward you will get better handling. For a while I had a large plastic tank strapped down on the wood section just in front of the aluminum floor sections. Interfered with the seating in the front single seat, but combined with the battery strapped under the console/bench the boat had much less bow rise on full throttle starts. Now I have a custom aluminum tank under the bench/console and only carry the forward plastic tank for extended range. If I went cruising with a bunch of people I just carried a small six gallon tank strapped in the back. Wakeboarding and skiing require a little more effort to get as much weight forward as possible.

Nothing all that ingenious on my boat. You will come up with creative ideas of your own to expand your boating uses. Don't overlook the side tracks on your futura. A very handy way to strap or tie down anything. Most boat don't have this feature. Buy the zodiac sliders or make your own out of sail track stops and d rings. Incredibly handy.
 

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Had a little trouble with my link.
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Thanks Nobrainsd,

You seem to be a handy man I wish we lived closer to each other as I could use your help I am not as mechanically inclined as you.

What happened to your Transom that caused the damage? So I do not fall upon the same situation.

I will look at mounting my fuel tank under my forward steering console and the battery under the driver seat.

I want to try and fit the biggest tank I can in if I can find one with the right measurements. Hopefully a 15 Gallon that should run for awhile.

How much is your custom Aluminum tank fuel capacity?
 

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Getting the weight forward is truly the key. However you choose to maximize your distribution is up to you. The benches on the zodiac are easily moved or removed, but the short slanting aluminum supports don't leave much space underneath. Would the flexible tank fit under the seat? That might be a simple solution. I raised my bench and installed it with relatively permanent aluminum supports so I could fit my twelve gallon plastic tank underneath. Later I bought a ten gallon custom tank from RDS ($180) so I could slide the battery in next to it. You could get a decent sized tank made that just fit in the entire space under your stock bench, but I couldn't find any plastic tanks that fit well. Some of these images have appeared in other posts, but I'll link here for convenience. Here is my plastic tank under the bench.

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This is the ten gallon custom tank and battery under the raised bench.

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Here is my plastic tank in it's original and now optional location (extended cruise mode).

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Though the tank strapped to the wood flooring does eat up the legroom for the front seat it is the easiest method of getting the weight forward. My third mate had to sit someplace else or stretch out until we started riding. Inconvenient, but getting the weight forward is huuuge when deep water launching a rider. Remove the big tank when just cruising around and strap a smaller one down infront of just the console itself. My original six gallon tank didn't provide much range, wakeboarding sucks gas. Ten gallons is much better. 15 might be a bit unwieldly. If you carry a tank aft go small and refill. If you don't have a tank under your console try strapping the battery there. My AGM battery weighs 60lbs. It was strapped under the console when the tank was on the wood section, strapped under the back seats when the plastic tank moved and now lives next to the aluminum tank. With remote controls on your outboard the console is where the battery cables hook up, so it just makes for a shorter cable run. Tanks and batteries strap down easily anywhere over the aluminum floor sections with the track system.

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The original owner of my boat had a bait tank, the fuel tank and the battery strapped down in the rear. The seats and console were shifted aft. Only fishing gear and life jackets were stowed in the forward bag. Bow rise was ridiculous and the bow pitched up and down. Do what you can to move weight forward. At least put your spotter upfront on the floor if that is the best you can do. Maybe consider smart tabs.

My boat is ten years old. I bought it with the floor separating from the tube and the transom seams leaking. Avoiding unnecessary heat and UV is big. This boat was stored outside under a cover in a really hot inland climate. All inflatables are ephemeral. Repairs are tricky, but reliable if well done. Lot's of places repair zodiacs. Treat the boat well and it will be worth the effort.

If you look at my old posts you will see I asked a lot of questions here and got some great answers. It is always nice to benefit from those with experience. All of these projects are made with basic hand tools. I love my sawzall with a fine metal blade... If you have specific questions regarding fabrication ask away! C'mon back and let us all see how your new boat comes together.
 
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Awesome post Thank you Nobrainsd

So far I am thinking to purchase the blue top marine battery from Walmart.It will go under the steering console up front under the steering wheel with the same case as you have then I will get a aluminum Fabricator/welder to have a look see and fill the rest of the passenger space with a fuel tank.If this will yield approx 10 Gallons then that will suffice and I will just bring extra fuel to the beach. At the same Time I will have him weld me a few rails that will be removable that hang off the side to secure ski's and wake boards.I will purchase another 12 Gallon Plastic like your's to place in front when going on long trips. I am going to go with the single BRP i command digital gauge for all my electronics and my water proof Garmin CCS for directions and speed confirmation. I have been told approx 6 weeks for my engine to arrive.
The dealer offered me a 50 HP for 6500CDN but I feel the need for speed so with that addiction will come a larger price tag of 8900CDN and a 6 week wait.

How did you secure the fuel tank in the front on the wood looks like a very neat job?

Do you have an inline fuel filter or a transom bolt on filter and to what Micron?

Everytime something else is done to my Boat I will post pics.


Thanks again look forward to checking this dam forum now every day I guess I am addicted to learning new hobbies and aquiring new knowledge.


Cheers David
 

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So much of how you fit out your boat should be based on how you intend to use it. A marine battery is a reasonable choice, but I have had battery issues due to my use. I fish and have run down my battery a couple of times running lights and the fishfinder. Starting batteries will not take deep discharges very well. Deep cycle or dual use marine batteries hold up fairly well, but I had premature battery failure due to vibration and shock. My Absorbed Glass Matt battery is dual use and is waaay more resistant to plate separation or damage. Unlike a gel battery the AGM can take a regular charge too. If you are going to be bashing around it is worth consideration. As I travel to remote locations I take my single battery situation seriously and have installed a low voltage disconnect switch. Switches off battery loads before the battery is drained too far. Ensures engine starting. Probably overkill on local waters. Design your systems to your needs. Always carry the optional pull start rope for your outboard (and know how to use it).

Depending on battery and case size you may find the stock zodiac seat a little too low to fit the battery underneath. My current AGM wouldn't quite fit under the aft bench in it's case. Measure carefully or just strap the battery down right up next to the bench. I doubt that you will get both a ten gallon tank and battery under the stock bench/console (if I'm reading your post correctly). I would think that you could have a decent sized custom tank with sloping sides made to fit that space by itself. If you look back at my older posts you will see how I chose to mount my aluminum tank, vent it and attach to ground. The ground wire on an aluminum tank should run directly to the negative battery terminal. It should not piggyback on other wiring and definitely not be routed through any off switch. The biggest advantage to me of the custom tank (other than being out from underfoot) is that I can fill it in the boat at the gas station (being careful to not overfill or spill gas in the boat). Plastic ungrounded tanks should be removed from the boat and filled on the ground. It was hard to lift the full twelve gallon plastic tank back into the boat.

You probably don't need a special rack for skiis or wakeboards. I just strap them down across the bow tubes using rubber straps hooked into d rings. My longboard would be like an airplane wing if I did that (9' 6"). Any rack extending out over the side tubes will appeal to swimmers as a handle. Care (verbal abuse) and attaching on both sides of the bench are necessary.

I used non stainless battery strap hardware for my tank hold down. Will replace someday with stainless footman's straps as corrosion is always an issue. I used a spade bit on the underside of the wood floor section to make a space so the washer and bolt head would be inset. Filled and covered with marine epoxy and sanded smooth. Didn't want to risk abrading my PVC floor. The nuts on the strap side are self locking. All bolts and nuts are stainless. I covered the nuts with a little glue out of my hot glue gun just for toe protection. I encourage everyone to wear some kind of foot protection in the boat, but we enter and exit barefoot a lot so I have tried to minimize the sharp edges on all of my installs. There are plastic battery and fuel tank straps available, but I was not impressed with their strength. When I am operating in nasty surf conditions or crossing bars in Mex I unstrap the battery and strap it back down on top of my bench next to the console. All wiring connections, the battery saver and switches are as high inside the console as allowable and covered. For my use it was necessary to design for possibly getting swamped. Even my tank vent runs up high and has an end valve designed to help minimize water intrusion. A little fore planning when installing your wiring can keep you out of trouble later.

I don't have a fuel water separator installed (just use the filter in my outboard). I have considered it, but I use up my fuel, keep my tanks clean and use a portable fuel water separator filter funnel when using suspect fuel (anywhere in Mex). I believe Drowned Rat has a filter installed on his boat. They are not exactly install and forget. The fully encased filters can become full and you won't know until you have fuel issues. Regular scheduled replacement helps. There are filters with plastic or metal bowls on the bottom that you can drain the water out from. This can extend the life of the filter. I'm still considering adding a fuel water separator inline. They are particulary valuable on boats with internal tanks that have always open vents. On my aluminum tank I have a valve so I can close off the tank and I have not had any internal condensation issues. Once again, base your system on your expected use. If you store fuel for extended periods, leave the boat moored in the water or travel to remote locations a fuel water separator is probably a good idea. Hopefully others will give you more informed advice.

Anytime you plan a new installation or design a new modification you should run a search on the forum regarding that specific topic. Lot's of info stored in past posts! You might also enjoy checking out Ribnet (UK based www.rib.net/forum/) for interesting posts and more mods to ribs and sibs.
 

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It's fun to see how others have modified their boats. Both yours look awesome.

I did mount a fuel water separator to the transom. I sealed the bracket studs in the transom with 5200 and I then mount the bracket/filter to that so it can be removed without removing sealed studs. It has to come off to roll the boat up, but it's only about a 2 min. job with all the quick disconnects.

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I also use the Blue Top AGM battery and secure it with footman's loops. It doesn't even think about moving when underway.

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I have a lot of weight in the rear on my boat with the battery and 12 gallon fuel cell, but it still handles great. I do have smart tabs installed though.

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Nice installation! Like you said, it is great to see all of the different ways people have outfitted their boats. The weight in the rear doesn't seem to be a big deal until you start doing hole shots with bigger ouboards. Have you had any issues with your seating rack chafing on the tube tops? I have been trying to stay away from using the tubes as a load bearing surface. But I do have a unique application that would benefit from this style of attachment. I am also curious about the micron rating you chose to go with for your filter. I have gotten advice to not go too fine or there is more of a risk with reduced fuel flow as the filter loads up. What did you chose to go with? Nice to see someone else is keeping NRS in business. I had to put my name on my straps so they would stop being liberated... I also see you roll with a transom saver, probably an investment trout enemy should consider to extend the transom seam life.
 

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Yeah, I've got a pretty small engine so that saves me a lot of weight. The fuel filter is a 10 micron. I've never considered it plugging up, have you heard of that happening? I change it every season, so I doubt that would happen, but I don't carry a spare so maybe that's something I should add to the kit.

I've had this boat for one season and so far there is zero chafe on the tubes. The frame sits entirely on the anti-chafe strip on the top of the tubes which is extra thick and could be replaced if needed. I run lots of boats like this on the river and have never seen a chaffing issue with the frame. The NRS frames are designed for just this purpose and they have all smooth rounded corners and the underside of the frame is completely flush. I mean the u-bolts holding the pieces together are flat and smooth underneath. It makes for a very smooth, comfortable ride because the entire weight of the passengers and whatever is in the cooler is supported by the tubes.
 
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Good Day Gents,

Your are 100% correct nobrainsd That space under this console is pretty much useless. I am going to research AGM battery and most likely follow your lead.

As for the fuel tank I found a guy that will custom make my fuel tank to whatever specs I want using light gauge checker plate.

So what I am thinking is I am going to have him build me a custom tank that will fit behind the bow bag and mount to the 2nd piece of wood from the front same as yours nobrainsd.Once the tank is complete I am also going to have him make the top and front of the fuel tank a bench that can be sat on. Covered with padded neoprene or something. He is comming this weekend to look at what I want and I am super pumped he does great work and he has never done a boat so he is excited as well. I think this will fix both my problems of fuel volume and weight distribution.If once measured up I am hoping for at least 12 to 15 gallons.

Once tank is in I will have him ground it to the negative terminal on my battery which will fit under that dam console or I will start modifying in a very agressive manner.LOL

I then am gonna give it my all to try and have the console and 2 bench seats.
I will have from rear a standard zodiac bench seat with 2 custom centric lockdown folding chairs for me and my wife then the console then the zodiac double seat. This will allow 2 adults and 3 boys.

I am hoping I will be able to do this.I will not do anything until my fuel problem is done first. Then I have to see how far back the motor will trim up.

nobrainsd what in the pic are you referring to when you say Transom Saver?

Once I know what it is I will get one as I really think this will be an important cost saving add on.

DRat where did you purchase this transom saver from? And do you have a close up picture I could reference.

You sure did a great job on that boat it put's a smile on my face whenever I see those pics.


I will update when the fuel guy and I have a plan.
 

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Hi TE,

This is the best picture I could come up with for the transom saver.

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Since I'm using a flatbed trailer (clearly not designed to carry boats, lol) I had to modify it a bit to accept the saver. I don't know what kind of trailer you'll be using, but if you're using a flatbed, let me know and I'll show you how I modified mine. It works perfectly and reduces stress on your transom when trailering. You can find them at Wal Mart or you can buy them here on iboats. They sell several different kinds and you need to know how it's going to attach to your trailer before you buy one.

Regarding your fuel tank, a word of caution. It's going to weigh about 110 to 115 lbs when full. When you attach that much weight to your floor board, it's going to want to slap a lot when you're in choppy water. It can slap so hard in fact it can damage the board and or the tubes where they meet the floor. You may want to consider mounting 2 or maybe even 4 d-rings low on the inside of the tubes adjacent to where the tank will be and then strap the tank downwards. This would be in addition to attaching the tank to the floorboard itself. I use a bar attached to my frame to accomplish the same task. It's removed in the picture I posted before, but here you can see it. It's the rear most bar that drops down toward the floor. It sits firmly on top of the fuel cell holding it, and everything else attached to that board, down in big water. :)

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Turning your tank into a bench seat is a great idea. Can't wait to see it. :)
 

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I honestly believe that this boat offers total freedom on the water and that is worth every penny that will be spent.

.. tru dat, great looking inflatable there trout enemy! are you in a part of the world that a sea trial will be open to you once your O/B gets in?
 
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