Mystery Piece from '88 Force 125 Exhaust boot

'88 Crew

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So from the beginning-

I purchased this boat from a familt friend around Febuary and he claimed it ran well. 1988 bayliner with original Force 125. He was a military man and took very good care of his belongings, (house, motorcycles, lawnmowers, boats, weedwackers, pool). in short he was meticulous. I had no problem puchasing said boat, however I did a ton of work to it and ran it several times without a problem. Last time I went out, apparently the exhaust snout fell off and dented the prop, which is when I first noticed all the main symptoms: pulling to one side, not able to get over 25mph (before it was 35), and smoke coming from under the cowling. So I replaced the exhaust snout and the prop, and took it out the other day. It was having trouble idling, especially when put into gear. I then did some research and found it to be the exhaust boot in the lower leg. Easy enough fix. I also tracked the problem to the carburetors, which I will be replacing the seals (something I had not done, but sompley cleaned before), and replacing and cleaning the fuel pump, which I have also not done before. While investigating the exhaust boot, the spring was in tact, the boot was intact, but the retaining ring was brittle and useless. I believe I found my problem until I took it out. Inside the boot was a plastic ring, which is meant to be there, but in addition to that, was a melted hard plastic piece which i cannot seem to find anywhere in the models. The square exhaust is made of metal, and nothing between there and the boot is plastic that I can find. But yes, this is a very hard plastic piece, and I am very certain it is not rubber or a part of the boot. I am wondering what this is and if anyone else could possibly identify it. I do not want harm to come to the engine from neglect. So far, all parts of this engine have run great and havent had a problem at all! I have tested compression, spark, carbs, replaced all fuel lines and filter, and completely rebuilt the lower unit. Can someone please advise me as to what this part could be and where it belongs? In my opinion, it looks like an old boot of somekind since the plastic seal seems to be clear and not the OEM black, however I am just puzzled. The trail traces back though: no exhaust snout, so no exhaust is able to leave the snout due to pressure, so all must go through the idle nostrils. The added pressure caused the seal to blow, and exhaust went under cowling which was choking the engine (hence 30mph after replacing the prop and snout, vs 35 initially). This also caused a struggling idle since exhaust was essentially choking the engine. All parts and pieces check out besides this hard black plastic inside the exhaust boot and plastic ring seal. This got melted and wouldnt let any exhaust through which was likely a long-term problem based on the amount of rust on the retaining ring and condition of melted plastic. I assume this was a previous exhaust boot, however I want to be sure I am not running the engine without the proper pieces. Can anyone please advise? pictures are attached.
 

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'88 Crew

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Additional photos. Looks like it was originally round, however several hot flat spots caused it to warm up and melt in the process. Do you think it could have been caused by cleaning out the ports (filled with mud bee's) originally and pushing it too far in? It seemed like there was some resistance, however I dont believe that much damage could have been caused by simply cleaning those ports. I was also unaware something like this would even be in there since they weren't in the models. Thank you for all your help! I have been an avid lurker since I got the boat and finally had a reason to post! You all have helped a ton!

Daniel
 

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Nordin

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That is what they call an insert, partnumber F85258 (old) new 816513.
I am not quite sure of the purpose, but I think it shall support the rubber boot and hold the spring in place inside the boot.
 

jerryjerry05

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Not sure what the melted black part is??
That might be an equalizer or stand tube
It's purpose was to keep the water from getting too deep in the exhaust housing.
They usually melted or just fell out and lay in the bottom of the mid section. The ring is inserted in the end of the exhaust bellows so it doesn't collapse.

Looks like it got real hot/ overheated and melted the plastic.

Pulling hard in either direction: turn the snout in the direction of the pull.
 

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Thanks Nordin! I ordered the boot insert, however I still have the question of the melted black part.

I think JerryJerry helped a bit identifying it or is on the right track with the stand tube. Unfortunately the drawings are blurry and I cannot see the connecting lines to figure out where it actually goes. It was fused to the boot insert which seems a little odd if it wasn't originally meant to be inside there. Maybe it was an aftermarket part that was just used to support the boot?

I cannot seem to find any pictures of a stand tube to help identify it, but if they were usually found melted or at the bottom of the leg, then whats the purpose? Do I need it, or would it be okay to run without it? In the case that this isnt the stand tube, where can I look on my engine to find them? Im hoping that if I can identify the stand tube, then I can rule it out and chaulk it up to an extra long aftermarket exhaust insert. All help/advice is appreciated! Thanks again!

Dan
 

jerryjerry05

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There should be 2 in there. They go down inside the mid section.
They are flared on one end and get pushed down in a hole about halfway down.
They work good but one overheat and they melt.
Usually they pop out and float around and then get pushed out the relief holes, where
they get stuck and melt.

Find a parts diagram for a 1988 125 Force and look for the part.
#25 on my diagram .
They won't let me post a pic of the mid section.
 
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