Nasa calling it quits!!!!!

mk4713

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So now we have a private company launching spacecraft to the space station. So now we must rely on private companies and the Russians to get to the space station. There is something wrong with this. Pretty soon the rockets will look like nascars. Sorry.....just had to vent
 

rockyrude

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Re: Nasa calling it quits!!!!!

Yea but the decals should look cool!
 

aspeck

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Re: Nasa calling it quits!!!!!

What is wrong with nascar looking rockets? And why shouldn't the private sector have a crack at the research and development and the possibility of making money instead of the government losing money? Not sure I like the private sector taking over, but I do see some merit to it ...
 

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Re: Nasa calling it quits!!!!!

What he said ^^^^ but let's all be careful about politics in this one guys . . :)
 

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Well, I think it is great. Private companies earning bux and creating jobs. Couldn't be more pleased.
 

CaptainKickback

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Re: Nasa calling it quits!!!!!

All for the private sector doing it. Just wish they would have gotten them started sooner so there wouldn't be such a gap in capability.

One concern though, when legal issues arise, will the U.S. stand with our companies or Russia.
 

Don S

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Our guvmint can't afford it anymore. So why not let private industry have at it.

You just never know what the private sector can develop with OUT all the rules.

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Re: Nasa calling it quits!!!!!

NASA is not "calling it quits". in fact they are working harder then ever on the next class of space vehicle.

NASA has let private companies pick up the slack on supplies and person transport to and from the space station so that they can concentrate more on the next step(s). The Orion project is still going, but has been re-purposed a little to more benefit the needs of NASA.

The shuttles were scheduled to be retired years ago, but because of delays and setbacks (challenger, Columbia), they had to push the retire date back. The shuttles were designed as heavy lift vehicles to build the space station. Once that was complete, they could be retired.

NASA is going back to a more basic and proven technology, buy using a capsule based system like Apollo. The technology inside it is totally different, but the general idea is the same, although they are working on a land based landing system, instead of splashdown in the ocean, since this ruins the capsule and it isn't reusable anymore.

I know it looks like they aren't doing anything, but just because they aren't launching shuttles doesn't mean they are sitting around counting stars.
 

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I'm all for private industry getting involved, I do like the ideology that NASA will be used to drive it though, If I'm correct NASA is still planning on the Moon and Mars meanwhile private industry will figure out a way to make money out of space which may create a whole new industry and that can't be bad.

From what I know Rockets are still pretty much Vietnam era ICBM's and while I know we deactivated a huge amount of Nukes along with Russia we certainly need to look at new technology in Rockets, has to be a more efficient way to make more power, maybe that flux capacitor thing from back to the future, who knows, maybe a private space station is next and then a private manned lunar base and NASA will go for Mars, the nice thing about it is that Private industry will only go if there is money in it and getting the govt out of the middle will only be good for the industry, develop the industry yes but then get out of the middle and let the Corporations figure out the financial side.
 

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Re: Nasa calling it quits!!!!!

As few as 6 yrs ago I worked a phase II SBIR (small business incentive for research) contract for the proto-flight nose section of the next generation reusable deep space passenger vehicle funded by NASA and DARPA. Not sure where that effort is currently.
 

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Well, "calling it quits" is a bit overstated, but NASA is certainly in a 'pause', as they find themselves in between vehicles.

They probably ran the space shuttles for too long and did not have plans soon enough for the next vehicle, which is called 'Orion' a.k.a Multi-purpose Crew Vehicle.

Meanwhile, private industry can have their 'shot' at putting things into space. It is wicked expensive, so I'm not sure about its future as a commercial program.
 

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Re: Nasa calling it quits!!!!!

Who is paying the private company to fly stuff to the space station?... I'm thinking it's the guvment.
 

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Our guvmint can't afford it anymore. So why not let private industry have at it.

You just never know what the private sector can develop with OUT all the rules.

iron-man.jpg
Amen
 

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Re: Nasa calling it quits!!!!!

They aren't??!! :eek: :p

well.. they are, but that isnt all they are doing :D

Well, "calling it quits" is a bit overstated, but NASA is certainly in a 'pause', as they find themselves in between vehicles.

They probably ran the space shuttles for too long and did not have plans soon enough for the next vehicle, which is called 'Orion' a.k.a Multi-purpose Crew Vehicle.

Meanwhile, private industry can have their 'shot' at putting things into space. It is wicked expensive, so I'm not sure about its future as a commercial program.

the shuttles had to run as long as they did because there is no other vehicle that can lift the capacity the shuttle can, therefore no way to get the large chunks of space station up there.

they had orion on the way, but budget cuts and a change is "scope" by the current president changed that. It was intended to be the next vehicle, and used to travel back to the moon, close asteroids, and eventually mars, but the biggest hindrance was the propulsion system. It is a modified military rocket, and has the power to carry the load, but had an issue with vibration. Enough to shake a human to jello. So they had to rework the connection between the capsule and the rocket to minimize transfer of that vibration. That was the biggest setback besides the normal reworking of the rocket to make it more reliable.

Then the announcement from Obama came along, and the new "plan" is to still complete the capsule, but to use it as an escape pod for the station. there are many reasons for the commercial aspect that is coming along. one of which is to see just what other technology comes along. when you have been doing something for so long, its hard to wrap your head around something new, and come up with new ideas. another is to free up resources to concentrate on building that new technology.


Who is paying the private company to fly stuff to the space station?... I'm thinking it's the guvment.

yes they are. its is a joint venture. just like the many subcontractor companies that work for NASA now. Its cheaper to pay them to do it, then to come up with something to do it themselves, and it pours money into the economy.
 

beason

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Re: Nasa calling it quits!!!!!

Our guvmint can't afford it anymore. So why not let private industry have at it.

You just never know what the private sector can develop with OUT all the rules.

iron-man.jpg

you are complete correct. This is one of the many reasons they opened it up to commercial companies. When you have been doing something a certain way for over 50 years. its hard to start over and come up with something new. They want to see what others can come up with.
 

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Re: Nasa calling it quits!!!!!

... and considering what Rutan and Branson have done with Space Ship One and (eventually to be) Virgin Galactic, there is already precedent for the commercial sector being successful in their endeavors. I think some good, or at least intriguing, things are on their way in space exploration.
 

scoutabout

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Our guvmint can't afford it anymore. So why not let private industry have at it.

You just never know what the private sector can develop with OUT all the rules....

Have any of you seen the movie Moon? Great flick and an interesting take on where private industry ended up without the burden of all those pesky rules....:eek:
 

itsaboattime

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Re: Nasa calling it quits!!!!!

Sooo does this mean that all the over-achievers in the Sc-Air Force don't get to be Astronauts anymore?
Does the privatized space company have to use nasa personnel or do they have their own?
 

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Re: Nasa calling it quits!!!!!

Given our national debt, I think NASA should be put on the back burner for awhile.... All for letting private companies have a crack at 'er.....
 
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