Nearly new Yamaha 40hp total loss?

[southpause]

My 2001 Yamaha 2 stroke 40 experienced a catastrophic failure this past weekend. Mechanic says fuel pump apparently failed, causing loss of cylinder #3, with the sleeve severely scored. Cost of replacing entire new head and exttraneous parts is more than cost of a new Yamaha 40hp. (About 4 thousand) None of the safeguards designed to protect the engine kicked in. <br />Here's my question: would it be worth the money and effort to pay this O/B mechanic to reassemble the O/B, take it an authorized Yamaha dealer to see if the manufacturer might make a goodwill adjustment to pick up part of the tab for this?<br />The O/B probably has fewer than 30 hours and is used on my Zodiac RIB inflatable.<br />(The reason I didn't take it to an authorized repairman in the first place is because when it froze up, it appeared to be a simple electrical problem, because it wouldn't turn over.)

 

[jurgenscraft]

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Was there two stroke oil going through the motor?<br />I have had fuel starvation and never blown the motor, the motor should not be able to run without fuel, maybe the fuel to oil ratio was wrong or maybe the oil storage tank was empty (oil injection), I prefer to run slightly more oil in the mixture for that added oil protection,and I use the best grade of outboard motor two stroke oil available, assemble the motor and take it to the agents and see what they have to say,<br />Regards William Wright

 

[rodbolt]

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dude<br /> your tech is smoking ya<br /> yes bad fuel pumps can wipe out pistons on oil injected yams,mercs and any other 2 strokes that mix fuel down stream of the pump. its a customer neglect/maint issue. but if the crank is not damaged its a 1200 dollar repair for 3 pistons 2 bores and a sleeve. if the bottom cyl is boable deduct the 175 for the sleeve. and most likely an o1 model will come apart. but the failure cause must be determined before repairs or it will fail again. oil injection failures are rare. neglect failures unfortunately are rather common. the crank is repairable and the rods replaceable if nessasary. catch up on the cooling and fuel issues at the same time.

 

[rodbolt]

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a PS<br /> there are no safeguards for clogged carbs, bad fuel pumps and trash in the oil lines. only oil level and temp. and then only if they get maintained.

 

[southpause]

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Hey Rodbolt- You're making some pretty big assumptions based on some very limited information.<br />When you write about "customer neglect/maint issue", that's ME whose outboard you're accusing of neglecting.<br />As for the tech who's "smokin'" me, if he is, he'll be out of a job by next week because his boss is a close friend of mine.<br />I posted a question seeking some useful advice about my Yamaha outboard, not accusations I failed to properly maintain it.<br />Unless you've seen my maintainence records, I suggest you find someone else to B.S. about your limited knowlege of outboard motor repair.

 

[bigbrownbuku]

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.... I suggest you find someone else to B.S. about your limited knowlege of outboard motor repair. [/QB]

sorry but that part is classic. lmao!

 

[ratracer]

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I suggest you find someone else to B.S. about your limited knowlege of outboard motor repair.

 

[Triton II]

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Wow southpause,<br />Looks like someone like rodbolt can get smoked by someone like you. Such is the internet. However, I suggest you check out how many people rodbolt has helped on this forum by reading his numerous posts before you make the sort of accusation above. I for one would hate it if a spontaneous response such as yours caused rodbolt to bugger off to his own private peace and quiet. Forums like this need the rodbolts of this World, please don't spoil it for the rest of us. By the way, welcome to iboats.

 

[31900]

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Southpause get a grip. You have insulted one of the most respected and experienced technicians on this forum. Chances are that Rodbolt has forgotten more about outboards than your man knows. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

 

[Ray Neudecker]

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Southpause, too bad you got your feelings hurt while asking for help. If you can't face the truth then go back to that fine tech who is trying to break it off in you. Carbs don't clog unless there has been owner neglect in the maintence. Your very limited knowledge of outboards is already a fact. You have now pissed off the people who are very capable of providing this help. Rodbolt spends many hours each day providing very valuable knowledge and help to people who ask for it. The problem is yours, either learn from it and go on to gaining the knowledge that prevents it or spend your life griping about the cost of running an outboard.

 

[rodbolt]

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dude<br /> maybe I was a bit tough<br /> however in the past week I have had six good engines come in with scuffed pistons. all due to neglect. the classic was a 99 150. overheated but only once. the pump failed. I asked when the last pump service was and got a song and dance about it has less than 200 hours on it and he just changed the gear oil and he was running along and it "suddenly" overheated. was nothing sudden about it. it took 5 years to wipe the pump. a pump every other year would have saved him a lot of expense. same with fuel pumps. if ya run them till they quit it can kill the engine mechanicals on the way out. the 2 and 3 cyl motors are not as hard on the diaphrams as the 3.1L motors but they can still fail. so maybe I am a bit tough but 4K to repair a 2 or 3 cyl yam that new is ridiculous. you got quoted the cost of a new powerhead. if the block is reusable and the crank is its usually less than 700 in parts and machine work. the other big killer is improper storage. if its going to sit over 30 days it needs to be properly stored not just left cause it has no hours. the precision blend system can lean out the oil mix at low speeds enough to leave the shiney parts inside without adequate corrosion protection for storage. see it all the time. let the motor idle 20 min then put in in the dry stack for 8 or 9 months then it pops the next trip out. but I guess I really dont have enough knowledge to help ya out. so ill let others try.

 

[imported_Curmudgeon]

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As for the tech who's "smokin'" me, if he is, he'll be out of a job by next week because his boss is a close friend of mine.<br />

Well, Southpause, the answer to your conundrum is simple. Let this mechanic you have by the short hairs fix your motor (which will then be as good as new and cost more, too), and let us know what the manufacturer says. The worst that could happen is you have a rebuilt motor that you paid for twice; and maybe the actual problem was even fixed in the process ... or not. You got advice from one who should know ... if you don't want opinions, don't ask for 'em!

 

[JRJ]

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Originally posted by southpause:<br /> <br />Here's my question: would it be worth the money and effort to pay this O/B mechanic to reassemble the O/B, take it an authorized Yamaha dealer to see if the manufacturer might make a goodwill adjustment to pick up part of the tab for this?<br />The O/B probably has fewer than 30 hours and is used on my Zodiac RIB inflatable.<br />(The reason I didn't take it to an authorized repairman in the first place is because when it froze up, it appeared to be a simple electrical problem, because it wouldn't turn over.)

No, just put it in a box and take it to an authorized dealer. No use wasting time on another tear down.

 

[cpj]

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Southpause,got it in your zipper on this one,didnt ya?Back off of rodbolt,he speaks the truth.If you dont check the warning system it will not work.could be as simple as a wire that is broke or a connector that is unplugged.Dollars to doughnuts says that you have never changed the fuel pump(but I bet that you will say you have)so you get what you deserve.I will agree though that the yamaha warning system is kind of weak though,it does not warn of all the conditions that could cause failure.I have written them with my idea's but havent heard a response.My proposal to yamaha is called the H.I.A.W.S. That stands for "head in a## warning system".It goes off whenever it senses the owner of the outboard is about to do something real stupid.Can I interest you in one?<br />P.S.<br />good luck getting anymore help.

 

[cpj]

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By the way rodbolt, I enjoy your B.S. and limited knowlege of outboard motor repair.It has helped me on several occasions.

 

[bernieb]

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Goes to show you ......real education doesn't come cheap,but it can be very painful. Please Southpause let us know the outcome on the engine,as far as what caused the failure,and what it took to repair it. This statement is for the general public not personally for Southpause.As in the movie "A few good men" and when Jack Nickolson stood up and said "You can't handle the truth".

 

[rodbolt]

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finding the cause is imperative. if not it will do it again. with 30 hours in 4 years I would look very close at the carbs as well. sometimes as they sit the fuel turns acidic and starts eating the rubber parts.

 

[southpause]

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Rodbolt- First let me apologize for that outburst. The fact that you're still offering advice after my internet "drive by" suggests you're a bigger man than I am. Additionally, a quick search of your posts shows you clearly know your stuff and I was clearly out of line.<br />As for the dead motor, I won't have any updates until I take it to a Yahama dealer tomorrow.<br />As for the off season, I keep the boat/OB in heated storage and always run the fuel out of the engine. Perhaps I should have fogged the engine as well.<br />Here's another consideration: I'd guess that 80 percent of the engine's life has been run at idle speed, inside my marina. I'm on Lake Michigan where outside the marina, there's often a 2 to 4 foot chop and running a 13 foot boat at WOT isn't my idea of fun.<br />I should also mention that I have felt the engine ran rough from the day I bought it.. and looking back, I wonder if the compression was low in one or more of the cylinders. If that were the case, I'd think the Yamaha dealer/tech would have caught it when it was tuned up in April.<br />You're right that it's imperative I find the cause because there's no reason to believe it won't happen again, either with this motor repaired, or a new one. Thanks for your advice.<br />ps: The crank is also broken.

 

[orca]

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Good apology SP You are forgiven<br />Rod bolt may have a comment on running the motor out of fuel, personally I dont think it a good idea, If your motor is oil injected then you will fill the motor with oil as the carbys lean out.<br />Good luck.

 

[Triton II]

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Good fella SP. Nice to know some people are still man enough to know they've made a mistake and apologise for it. Hope everything works out OK for you and your 40! Keep posting.