Need Electrical guros expertise

[jorgeoliva]

well am back from a short vacation back to the boat I jump a cable from the live top bolt solenoid to the yel/red small post without turning the key I turn my dual battery switch to both battery. (I placed a meter to test the battery and the both were reading over 12 volts) and I heard a continues clicking on the starter motor (with the key on off position). so I removed the jumper cable turn the motor flywheel a little I head a click in the starter motor like if the starter was retracting. so now I jumped the solenoid again with my screw driver and I can hear it activation but the motor does not turn just a click. weird think about this I bench tested the starter and it worked a couple of weeks ago

 

[jorgeoliva]

opps wait sorry after jumping solenoid with screw driver I hear nothing from the starter motor

 

[jorgeoliva]

????

 

[alldodge]

Sorry but for me I'm have a time clearly understanding what your saying

I jump a cable from the live top bolt solenoid to the yel/red small post without turning the key.... and I heard a continues clicking on the starter motor

So if you jumped from the positive battery post or the Red/Purple wire post to the small Yel/Red post and the starter started clicking. Next you removed the jumper

after jumping solenoid with screw driver I hear nothing from the starter motor

Which terminals did you cross with the screw driver, the slave solenoid or the starter ?

 

[jorgeoliva]

ok let break this down when I turn the key I get no engine turning. you said "( Make sure you have a ground on the small terminal Yel/Blk wire terminal. Apply 12V to the small Yel/Red terminal, if the solenoid engages, your solenoid works) so I grounded the yel/blk wire small post on the terminal and took power 12v from the top of the solenoid 12v as soon as I turn my dual battery on to both with the key in the off position the starter started to make a clicking sound so I removed the jumper cable and tried to jump the solenoid with the screw driver again and nothing happen before when I jumped the solenoid with t he key on the engine turn now nothing

 

[alldodge]

If jumping the solenoid means you crossed the terminals in this pic on terminals identified wire #1 and 2, then you have wire problems between the slave solenoid and the starter, or the starter or the battery cables to the starter.

Crossing those two terminals sends 12V power direct to the starter. The clicking is a bad connection. no clicking from the starter at all means a starter problem or cable

 

[jorgeoliva]

Ok after couple days of rain let start from square one. in the ignition switch with the key on the on position the purple wire have 12v turning the key to start the yel/red wire gave me 12v. just for testing if I remove the yel/red wire from the solenoid on the engine and place a meter with a ground on the yel/red wire when I turn the key to start should I get a 12v reading (my thinking) if the ignition yel/red reads 12v when I turn the key to start should the power go thru the yel/red wire and show up on the yel/red wire that attach to the solenoid.

 

[alldodge]

Yes turn the key to start, you should see 12V on the Yel/Red (small wire) going to the small terminals on the bottom or the slave solenoid.

 

[Bt Doctur]

look at post 66, jumping the 2 large posts must make the starter operate. If not, you have a bad cable connection, a bad solenoid, or a bad starter.
If jumping the 2 posts does make the starter operate, your missing the 12V when you turn the key switch to start. this supplies 12v to the small yellow/red wire at the slave on the small lug. the other small lug must have a good ground to operate.

 

[jorgeoliva]

Ok going to do this this should rule out if I have a bad safety switch. and for (Bt doctur) yes the engine turn when I jump the 2 large post on the solenoid and the solenoid is brand new

 

[jorgeoliva]

one last question if it does read 12v on the yel/red wire on the solenoid can I get a reading on the small post of the starter motor to determine if there power going to the starter motor sometime when I jump the solenoid my starter does not engage

 

[Bt Doctur]

ok then,work it backwards. from the slave the yellow/red goes thru the main harness plug. from the main harness plug up to the dash and maybe another harness plug. then thru the control box neutral safety and then to the "S" on the key switch. Locate pin 7 and on the engine side apply 12v to the pin. slave should operate and starter motor should turn . Then test pin 7 on the harness side for 12v with the key in "start"one last question if it does read 12v on the yel/red wire on the solenoid

 

[Bt Doctur]

one last question if it does read 12v on the yel/red wire on the solenoid can I get a reading on the small post of the starter motor to determine if there power going to the starter motor sometime when I jump the solenoid my starter does not engage
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the small inboard lug on the starters solenoid receives power from the slave solenoid. this is the large yellow/red wire at the slave,jumping the slave and having the starter spin the motor tells you the battery, battery cables, cable connections are within specs.
the slave needs 12v from the key switch to operate. to actually test the slave solenoids contacts, jumper from the Red/Purple wire at the slave or from the + side of the battery to the small lug that has the small gauge yellow /red wire.

 

[jorgeoliva]

thank you dodge and bt doctor this is a good start I will find the problem will inform you guys my findings

 

[Bt Doctur]

 

[jorgeoliva]

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Finally a dry day. ok this is what we have
1. ignition side purple wire have 12 v with switch open
2. yel/red wire give me 12v when I turn the key to start (motor does not turn)
Motor side
1. top large post of solenoid see picture yel/red the other red with stripe (cant tell what color stripe is)
using a meter and key open I get 12 v on the large red with stripe wire get nothing on large yellow/red
1 removed small yel/red from small post
2. attach a meter to small yel/red turn key and meter reads 0 no volts

 

[alldodge]

attach a meter to small yel/red turn key and meter reads 0 no volts

Neutral Safety Switch (Item g)

 

[jorgeoliva]

going to have to remove side panels and check safety switch one quick question going to open up throttle it has a push in button on the throttle handle how do I remove this plastic button does it comes out with t he handle in neutral or do I have to shift to forward or reverse

 

[alldodge]

First start by running a wire from the key switch (Yel/Red) terminal back to the slave small terminal (Yel/Red). Turn key to start and it should fire up. If it does go for the throttle neutral safety switch

how do I remove this plastic button

To remove button, push button in and move handle full forward. Button should be able to be removed

 

[jorgeoliva]

Thank dodge will do going to have to buy a long wire by any chance do you know what # wire should work I have a long extension cord wire in my shed without the 2 ends you think that should work